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| Coach is doing the best he can with 19 first team players. It's no coincidence that some fans could see the recruitment this off season would lead to problems. Problems arrive and now the coach is to blame??
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| Quote ="Hollywood Harrigan"Thought Senior was owned on every occasion by Gaffa to. To blame the kid alone is stupid.'"
Whenever I've seen Senior this season he's been pretty poor. Do Leeds fans agree he's getting past it, do you reckon he'll still be playing next season?
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Whenever I've seen Senior this season he's been pretty poor. Do Leeds fans agree he's getting past it, do you reckon he'll still be playing next season?'"
best centre we've got. Not the player he was though. Sad thing is right now if we lost him to injury we would be up shat creek without the 33 year old.
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| Quote ="G1"The right side isn't our strongest but I agree with all others that Mclennan is taking an area that hasn't been a strength and turning it into a disaster area.
I really don't care now who he thinks his right centre should be, Gibson, Watkins, Ablett or Smith but whoever it is must be given at least half a dozen games to strike up some form and continuity with poor Donald. His dithering over the right centre is shocking coaching.
Oh, and if we do sign a new player for right centre I hope that signing brings with his a game-plan that ensures he receives good quality ball in open space otherwise we will have wasted our time and money.'" Agreed.
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| Quote ="fanstanningley"Agreed.'"
If Smith was his preferred option what chance has he had to play him? with a combination of Webb's injury and his own Smith has had no opportunity to play at centre
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"If Smith was his preferred option what chance has he had to play him? with a combination of Webb's injury and his own Smith has had no opportunity to play at centre'" He hasn't but he could of given Gibson,Ablett or Watkins an extended run in stead of changing nearly every game.
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| Quote ="tvoc"So having a goto option on the right, in addition to our goto option on the left, wouldn't improve the attacking options of the team?
The right centre isn't the only issue with the side but it's still an issue.'"
I'm not saying recruitment is not needed. But come on, the tactics are simply awful. We dont get the ball to the centres anyway, so I dont see what difference it would make having a quality star in there.
I think we have scored less points than anybody in the top 8 now, and less than Catalans, and Warrington, outside the 8. 10 teams better than us. That shows how poor we are with ball in hand. That can't simply come down to not having a decent right centre.
If we were any more predictable in our style of play, we might aswell give the opposition the two points before the game, to save embarrassement. Move the ball widish, then pass on the inside to the crappy second rower running at the angle inside. I could teach kids to defend against that.
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| we are predictable in that everything comes from our left hand side and has done for some time. Add to the fact keith seniors legs are now 33, not only are we predictable we're not as good down that side than in years gone down.
I could coach a team of kids to defend a team who only attacks one side of the field.
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| Interesting that there's no "Bluey out' thread on here. Smith would have benn burned in effigy by now with results and performances of this year.
Right centre and wing is one area that isn't doing so well. IMO the pack is playing soft regardless of personnel and the 'creative' players we have are virtually all in dire form. Between them 5 international 'playmakers' can't create a half chance.
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| Leeds don't have much of an attacking option on the right so they don't go there. Has Donald received more than half a dozen or so passes this season?
It's a bit of a chicken or the egg discussion.
Perhaps they would if they had a reason to. Neither Gibson or Watkins give them that reason. Gleeson settling in nicely at Wigan though.
Maybe it will improve if Smith can get himself back available for selection.
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| I would happily be proved wrong, but I suspect that Smith won't be a great centre either. He's a confident player with a step and some speed and a pretty good rugby brain from what I've seen. But he's small for a centre.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"I would happily be proved wrong, but I suspect that Smith won't be a great centre either. He's a confident player with a step and some speed and a pretty good rugby brain from what I've seen. But he's small for a centre.'"
So's Jennings. I doubt though that he will make a good centre as you said but not because of his size. He is more suited to the FB position. Thats where he has shone since been in the academy.
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| I agree that Smith is a natural full back.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"I agree that Smith is a natural full back.'"
Also a proven winger at club and international level
Webbs natural replacement for sure
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| Quote ="LeedsPokerGuru"Webbs natural replacement for sure'"
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| Quote ="Kifaru"Ben Jones Bishop'"
you sound strangely like that other nincumpoop who said that. He also picked Watkins to be ready for a starting birth this year. He's stupid though and applies no realistic common sense.
BJB is waaaay down in the pecking order in the 8 backs we have at the club.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Leeds don't have much of an attacking option on the right so they don't go there. Has Donald received more than half a dozen or so passes this season?
It's a bit of a chicken or the egg discussion.
Perhaps they would if they had a reason to. Neither Gibson or Watkins give them that reason. Gleeson settling in nicely at Wigan though.
Maybe it will improve if Smith can get himself back available for selection.'"
I'm still not convinced.
Infact it would not suprise me in the least, if stats show that only 50% of Seniors ball this year has come from passes to him. A lot of the time it is him scooting from dummy half. And of the 50% I would also say 70% of that has only come when we have a play the ball within 10 yards of him.
I agree other seasons we have always gone down the left. This season though whenever we rarely do go out wide, it is the crappy pass back inside to the ineffective backrower, which nullify's the centre anyway.
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| Quote ="LeedsPokerGuru"you sound strangely like that other nincumpoop .'"
Only a nincompoop wouldn't be able to spell it.
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BJB is waaaay down in the pecking order in the 8 backs we have at the club.'"
I dont know how you can comment on a player when you've never seen him play tbh.
Please indicate where you said "Webbs natural replacement for sure, now at this minute because Webb has left".
By the time Webb leaves Leeds BJB will be ready. Hence, he is Webbs natural successor. Or you can tell Smith to hang on til Webb leaves. I doubt that will happen.
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| Quote ="LeedsPokerGuru"Also a proven winger at club and international level
Webbs natural replacement for sure'"
With smithy being ear-marked for the centre spot(if he stay's) i'd say Bjb will be the natural successor to webby mate.
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| Yes, Yes where McAvoy?
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| Quote ="Hollywood Harrigan"Thought Senior was owned on every occasion by Gaffa to. To blame the kid alone is stupid.'"
As our fans like to say "There's only one F-in Gafa"
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| Quote ="LeedsPokerGuru"you sound strangely like that other nincumpoop who said that. He also picked Watkins to be ready for a starting birth this year. He's stupid though and applies no realistic common sense.
'" erm, Watkins has played 8 times this year. I know you don't go to games but if you're going to be so forthright in your opinions do keep up.
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BJB is waaaay down in the pecking order in the 8 backs we have at the club.'" Yes, so far down he's already made 1 first team start since recovering from injury.
Besides, as has been pointed out to you by someone who actually watches the occasional game, he's Webb's natural successor. Webb is contracted for a couple more years.
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| Quote ="Bob-Marley"Yes, Yes where McAvoy?'"
He's stting on top of a hill in a bath on wheels, waiting for Foggy and Cleggy to give him a shove.
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| Quote ="DISA"Infact it would not suprise me in the least, if stats show that only 50% of Seniors ball this year has come from passes to him. A lot of the time it is him scooting from dummy half. And of the 50% I would also say 70% of that has only come when we have a play the ball within 10 yards of him.'"
Not according to this. [url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=254&hs2=2009&hp2=3111&stat=tries&season=2009Senior 11 runs from dummy half from 88 drives[/url
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| Quote ="tvoc"Not according to this. [url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=254&hs2=2009&hp2=3111&stat=tries&season=2009Senior 11 runs from dummy half from 88 drives[/url'"
After the update for the Harlequins match it's now [url=http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=254&hs2=2009&hp2=3111&stat=tries&season=2009Senior11 runs from dummy half from 104 carries[/url.
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