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That should free up £20k on the cap
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Good job Biff left early, to sort that deal out. I mean it did take a number of hours to finalise.
Half a job, big, tit.
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Good job Biff left early, to sort that deal out. I mean it did take a number of hours to finalise.
Half a job, big, tit.
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| Why has Crowe taken him? Just get his head further ups Sams rear? Crowe seems to be doing everything in his power to keep Sam happy.
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"Why has Crowe taken him? Just get his head further ups Sams rear? Crowe seems to be doing everything in his power to keep Sam happy.'"
Maybe he sees some potential in him that out coaching and management team don't?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Maybe he sees some potential in him that out coaching and management team don't?'"
Leeds offered him a 3 year deal which he knocked back.
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| Hmm no brainer for Biff that one.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Good job Biff left early, to sort that deal out. I mean it did take a number of hours to finalise.
Half a job, big, tit.'"
Better than sitting it out in an environment where you are clearly not wanted - Leeds training for no purpose, Sydney training in an elite squad in the best league in the game - that's a tough one - who is the tit?
One thing is for sure 30 months in Aus and he will be a significantly better player than if he spent 30 months being trained by the Chuckle Brothers at Kirstall.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Maybe he sees some potential in him that out coaching and management team don't?'"
Indeed. But Sam and the other Burgess brothers won't come to Leeds.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Better than sitting it out in an environment where you are clearly not wanted - Leeds training for no purpose, Sydney training in an elite squad in the best league in the game - that's a tough one - who is the tit?
One thing is for sure 30 months in Aus and he will be a significantly better player than if he spent 30 months being trained by the Chuckle Brothers at Kirstall.'"
Training for no purpose?
How about training for the job he has been paid to do? As a member of the Rhinos squad. He has fallen away from selection but if every player moved on when this happened you would need a turnstile on the training paddock.
One minute he announces he will stay and fight for a spot, like he should, then he wants to be released.
I'll have my cake and eat it.
He was always going at the end of the season so Leeds had to plan life without him. IMO Biff at present would offer more than some members, but we can't control that.
To make him a significantly better prop player at his age, surely extensive game time and added responsibility would be just as important. Let's see what game time he gets. How is Mike Worrincy getting on? I bet he comes back a Super Star.
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| The salary cap audits have just been completed.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Leeds offered him a 3 year deal which he knocked back.'"
As I said before we don't know the details of the contract - it could have been a really good offer, on the hand it could have been a Calderwood?
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Training for no purpose?
How about training for the job he has been paid to do? As a member of the Rhinos squad. He has fallen away from selection but if every player moved on when this happened you would need a turnstile on the training paddock.
One minute he announces he will stay and fight for a spot, like he should, then he wants to be released.
I'll have my cake and eat it.
He was always going at the end of the season so Leeds had to plan life without him. IMO Biff at present would offer more than some members, but we can't control that.
To make him a significantly better prop player at his age, surely extensive game time and added responsibility would be just as important. Let's see what game time he gets. How is Mike Worrincy getting on? I bet he comes back a Super Star.'"
Leeds have decided he will not get selected regardless of how well or otherwise he plays/trains - so he is training will zero chance of being selected, that is not his decision that is a coaching/management decision.
He said he did not want to go to another club, he used the fight for my place as a reason not to go to Cas - if Wigan had come calling he may have taken a different tack.
Players spend 25-30 hours a week on the training field and 80 minutes on the field. Most people accept it is what happens on the training field that develops players and enables them to perform on the field. If I had a choice of training within an NRL set up or down at Kirkstall with Dumb and Dumber I know which I would choose. 99% of players would benefit from spending time in the NRL.
Worrincy will be a better player for his time in a NRL set up - not difficult I agree.
What both he and Burgess will be able to do better are the basics something that seperates us from the NRL and they will both be physically fitter and stronger.
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| What happens when we pick up a few front row injuries or has gh got someone in mind now to bring in ? Highly unlikely
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"One minute he announces he will stay and fight for a spot, like he should, then he wants to be released.
I'll have my cake and eat it.'"
Whereas what Burgess actually stated was this:
Quote ="Luke Burgess"“I told Gary I wanted a release so I could go to Australia, because I am not playing. I made it quite clear I don’t want to go out on loan. If they are not prepared to release me, I will stay at Leeds for the rest of the year. Ideally I’d be granted a release so I can leave. If I am not granted a release I am willing to stay at Leeds and fight for my place. I am disappointed in the whole thing.” '"
I suppose it's a case of 'which came first, the chicken or the egg?' but I read that as non selection - ask for a release - if not released - stay at Leeds until contract expires fighting for a place.
Not sure what else he could do after losing his prop position to Kirke.
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| Agree Tvoc. Biff v Kirke?? Souths would not be signing Kirke that's for sure! Bye Biff and thanks and congratulations!
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| Quote ="tvoc"Not sure what else he could do after losing his prop position to Kirke.'"
That would swipe the taste from your mouth.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"What both he and Burgess will be able to do better are the basics something that seperates us from the NRL and they will both be physically fitter and stronger.'"
You can't polish a turd though. They are not miracle workers.
Biff is an interesting case. He is useful and there is something there. I have always questioned his lack of improvement over the last 3/4 years in a Leeds shirt. I don't think his improvement levels have gone up enough to warrant him a top end prop. But we can see what impact the NRL will have on his game.
Did Mathers, Tansey, Sibbit come back better players? Or were they not really on that level anyway, the bracket I think Biff falls into.
Morley, Ellis, Sam stand out as real handfuls over-there because they stood out over here first as excellent players. It does help.
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| Good move for Biff, From the interview I read we didnt come out of it very well. 3 days to make a life changing decision and removing the offer when asked for more time??
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"You can't polish a turd though. They are not miracle workers.
Biff is an interesting case. He is useful and there is something there. I have always questioned his lack of improvement over the last 3/4 years in a Leeds shirt. I don't think his improvement levels have gone up enough to warrant him a top end prop. But we can see what impact the NRL will have on his game.
Did Mathers, Tansey, Sibbit come back better players? Or were they not really on that level anyway, the bracket I think Biff falls into.
Morley, Ellis, Sam stand out as real handfuls over-there because they stood out over here first as excellent players. It does help.'"
IMO Biff probably falls into neither catagory mentioned above, somewhere in gthe middle for me.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"The salary cap audits have just been completed.'"
My thoughts entirely. Weve had a very large squad this year - sadly of average forwards in the main. Certainly the least productive squad of the last few years, but clearly not the cheapest. We can put 2 full packs out and still have spares!
Leuleui
Buderus
Peacock
JJB
Ablett
Sinfield
Cross
McShane
Burgess
Lauitiiti
Hauraki
Clarkson
Bailey
Ambler
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Kirke
Pitts
Then theres always Delaney & Senior (pre injury) if we're short. Crazy!
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| Leeds and the Leeds CEO have never had the slightest whiff of trouble with regards to adhering to the salary cap in the past ..... which is now a 'live' assessment anyway with all playing contracts lodged with the RFL to ensure compliance.
No SL club should really have any issues in that regard.
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| Strange it hasn't taken three days to decide on a move to the other side of the world
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| Quote ="tvoc"Leeds and the Leeds CEO have never had the slightest whiff of trouble with regards to adhering to the salary cap in the past ..... which is now a 'live' assessment anyway with all playing contracts lodged with the RFL to ensure compliance.
No SL club should really have any issues in that regard.'"
Unless they have secondary contracts a la melbourne.
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