Possibly no NRL club signed him because we offered him the security of a 4 year deal.
Worth having at Cuthbertson's age I'd have said.

Good point, I had not give that aspect of the deal much thought.

You could argue Kylie fell into that category with his NRL career. He's been good value.

bloodbath you are wrong mate.

kylie has been magnificent value

Kylie was indeed good value ,he has been one of the best super league signings for us.
A plus factor is he always seems to be happy with life in the uk. Some of the other imports never seem happy or settled.
Walsh over at saints is rumored to be homesick, our own mr Eastwood soon went back to aussieland. I assumed he missed life back in Australia ,or was their some other reason?.

That's me told

I agree regards Kylie not having another year.I have said on another thread that i hold my hands up to saying it was a bad move to give him a deal last season so early, as he looked shot at the back end of the year but he has been going well so far this season it has to be said.Now we have Cuthbertson on board though and also have Tonks and Baldwinson back and pushing for a place in the squad with Yates to come back too i would rather remember Kylie going out at the top of his game this season rather than the strong possibility he goes out next year a shadow of his former self.

The guy has been a superb signing for us though and even if he does get another year (which looks likely), and stinks the place out he must go down as one of our best overseas players ever.

I hope you are right about peacock, I remember that old saying that the ageing process is like a clever thief,he just takes a little bit at a time. Before you know it he has the lot.
I am fully confident JP will be firing on all cylinders at the business end of this season. But to play at his level at the business end of next season is a big ask.
Looking on the bright side, if anybody can do it Jamie can.

a JP providing 50% of what he is giving at the moment would still be more effective and bring more to the team effort than Kirke and Bailey do.So i dont see much risk at all with JP going another year

Is Kirke the future? No
Is Bailey the future? No
Can they at least replace the old guard for a season or two whilst the kids develop? No

Everything points to a loss with them. The change happens the next two seasons. Get rid of two now, Bailey & Kirke. Blood Yates, Baldwinson, Tonks, Mulhern as a result of 2 spots been available. Then when JP and Kylie retire end of 2015 we will be well set-up.

Whilst it is all good fun exchanging veiws on Kylie and to a certain extent JP. All will be revealed at the end of the season. Shortly we will have some high intensity games, my nightmare scenario would be a young Wigan pack running rings round our pack.
This would not happen with our backs, or at least it should not happen.

Probably more to do with the clusterf**ck surrounding his entry visa and him then spending a year doing really well with the Bulldogs while waiting to join us. Hardly surprising that after getting settled in Sydney with the Doggies he was less than thrilled at uprooting himself again and coming over to England.

Lot of talk about some very young forwards taking on a lot of responsibility all at once. I can't see this club asking that - it would be a paradigm shift in thinking at Headingley. Very unlikely.

I would agree its very unlikely and it does seem that Kylie is about to join JP and signing for 2015.Thing is, with Cuthbertson now signed,Singleton becoming more established and Bailey and Kirke also on the books for next year where will the opportunitys for the likes of Baldwinson and Tonks come not to mention Yates?

If Kylie does continue then one of Kirke or Bailey need to be released IMO.

Kirke is 34 at the end of this year. I'd expect to see him released / retire at seasons end.

Kylie, Peacock, Cuthbertson, Singleton & Bailey is plenty of front-row cover for next year. With Yates, Mulhern, Tonks & Baldwinson covering that's 8 props to choose from.

Tonks is not a prop. Will people stop putting him there. He is a back rower and loose.

Spot on.

spot on not sure where people have got the idea that he's a prop from

Probably because they don't pay attention.

Tonks and the backrow is another descussion. Ablett, Delaney and Achurch are doing fine there now and are all of decent age. You have Stevie Ward who just needs to stay injury free. Foster has done well at London. Clarkson adds utility value. Minchella is another on the brink. Some of our props have the potential to start at loose. Sutcliffe might end up at loose.

JJB might need to join Bailey and McGuire as moving on.

1 - Hardaker
2 - Briscoe
3 - Watkins
4 - Moon
5 - Hall
6 - McGuire/Clark
7 - Burrow
8 - Cuthbertson
9 - Aiton
10 - Peacock
11 - Achurch
12 - Ablett
13 - Sinfield
14 - S.Ward
15 - Delaney
16 - Singleton
17 - Yates
18 - Clarkson
19 - Sutcliffe
20 - Baldwinson
21 - R.Ward
22 - Foster
23 - Mulhern
24 - Minchella
25 - Tonks/Minns/Walters/Another

Something along those lines for 2015??? (Might be one forward too many as you get down the list, maybe one more back promoted instead).

Can't see us letting all the experience of Leuluai, JJB, Kirke, Bailey and McGuire all go at once though. Obviously the latter would be dependent on the Clark rumours coming true.

If you have ever been to Sydney you would understand why St Helens struggles to compete. My son lives in Aus and he found the homesickness in the first year was really tough and he went out with four mates. We underestimate how difficult it is to be removed from all the support structures you have come to rely on for years especially for wives/kids. There is a difference between the theory and the practical - very few who work abroad end up relocating on a permanent basis.

I think I read somewhere that about 30% of British immigrants to Australia end up moving back to the UK. The standard of living is on average far higher here in terms of lifestyle - what sends them back is homesickness, missing family etc.

I would say Tonks is a different type of player to all of those, but probably nearer to an Achurch style. He is more in the mould of Brett Ferres type. Very good hands, and good movement around the field.

You also have Brad England to consider also, who may or may not be actually ahead of Tonks at this stage.

To me Delaney, Clarkson, Foster, and with JJB aswell, are all very similar types in what they bring. Ward is a young Ablett, although don't know if will follow same path.

I said last year when Delaney got his long term contract, that he would do about half of it, and I have seen nothing to change my mind on that. Don't think his body can handle it, and can't see him beyond 2016.

This is what I'd heard about Eastwood:

Apparently he was seeing this lass in Oz who had children from a previous relationship. The plan was Greg came to the UK and his missus and her kids were going to follow once he was settled, except the children's natural father objected to his kids being taken overseas and put the kibosh on her emigration plans.

Greg wanted to go back to Oz to be with his missus.

Not seeing it with Foster.

A grafter, but not going to scare anyone with ball in hand. Too much like Clarkson for both of them to stick around IMO.