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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"How much do you think this screen is costing mate?????
I think a cool £5m would do a good job on re-developing the Western Terrace to include a roof, you might get it down as low as £3.5m to £4m at a push possibly!
I have no idea how much one of these screens cost but I bet it is maybe £500k fully installed? Big difference in cost!'"
I think your £500k is probably realistic, although as usual there will no doubt be add ons. I still can't see where the payback would be though.
On the roof. Come on your an architect aint you? You could put a roof on that size area for less than £100k if you are just talking materials and labour. It wouldn't look pretty I agree, but it is do able. The southstand roof only costed double that. I wasn't talking about the whole redevelopment of the stand, I was talking about the roof only, which is what the original poster (although trolling) was having the dig at.
Like I said if you are talking about actual logistics for it then the cost would go up much more, which is what you quite rightly pointed out previously.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Bad timing installing it now. They'll only have to do it all again in 12 months time when 3D becomes more affordable.'"
How many pairs of 3D glasses would we need to order?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Of course that is working on it been straightforward...'"
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| Quote ="Starbug"Quite right , you lot get signed up to your membership scheme , so Gary can have a pay rise
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Do you mean the membership scheme that's been going for 30 years? That membership scheme? Or the membership scheme which you now get additional benefits for the same price? How about that one?
Shouldn't you be blaming the RFL for this? After all they've obviously diverted funds intended for "worthwhile" clubs to help Leeds fund this big screen haven't they? I mean since Hetherington runs the RFL and everything.
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"How many pairs of 3D glasses would we need to order?'"
Would it be the rip off home cinema ones or the cheapo £2 ones from the cinema?
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"How many pairs of 3D glasses would we need to order?'"
Headingley will look like a Blues Brothers reunion meeting.
Or an audition for the next Tarantino movie.
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| If you could have an operation so you could see in permanent 3D would you do it?
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| Good on Leeds - if you have spare cash knocking around, it's good to spend it on something that will improve your supporters' enjoyment. In a salary capped world, why not spend it on improving facilities, and Leeds have spent big in that respect recently.
Don't see why people are sniping really, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I think your £500k is probably realistic, although as usual there will no doubt be add ons. I still can't see where the payback would be though.
On the roof. Come on your an architect aint you? You could put a roof on that size area for less than £100k if you are just talking materials and labour. It wouldn't look pretty I agree, but it is do able. The southstand roof only costed double that. I wasn't talking about the whole redevelopment of the stand, I was talking about the roof only, which is what the original poster (although trolling) was having the dig at.
Like I said if you are talking about actual logistics for it then the cost would go up much more, which is what you quite rightly pointed out previously.'"
An Architect!!!! How very dare you!!!! I am significantly more vital and important than the relatively recently invented profession of Architect... I am a Structural Engineer!
You are kidding right... £100k... that might just about cover the crane hire for the rather large mobile that will be required to lift the steel from the South Stand car park to the Western Terrace! I think you could put a lightweight roof covering (ETFE or fabric) roof covering over the current Western Terrace for maybe £1.5m, but that still leaves you with a very old terrace under a new roof.
The reality of the Western Terrace is that, like the banking of the old Eastern Terrace, it all has to come out and a complete new stand built and that is going to cost a fair few million I am afraid!
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"An Architect!!!! How very dare you!!!! I am significantly more vital and important than the relatively recently invented profession of Architect... I am a Structural Engineer!
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![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif) my apologies
Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"You are kidding right... £100k... that might just about cover the crane hire for the rather large mobile that will be required to lift the steel from the South Stand car park to the Western Terrace! I think you could put a lightweight roof covering (ETFE or fabric) roof covering over the current Western Terrace for maybe £1.5m, but that still leaves you with a very old terrace under a new roof.'"
We have just built a 20000 sqft building, kitted out and with offices for just over £500k. The roof cost about £60k of it.
Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"The reality of the Western Terrace is that, like the banking of the old Eastern Terrace, it all has to come out and a complete new stand built and that is going to cost a fair few million I am afraid!'"
Agree with you, which is what would put up the cost to the figures you originally quoted, and what in reality is needed.
But the guy trolling was only talking about a roof not a new stand. And although I don't agree with that poster, he is still not wrong to question why the west stand does not have a roof.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"An Architect!!!! How very dare you!!!! I am significantly more vital and important than the relatively recently invented profession of Architect... I am a Structural Engineer!
You are kidding right... £100k... that might just about cover the crane hire for the rather large mobile that will be required to lift the steel from the South Stand car park to the Western Terrace! I think you could put a lightweight roof covering (ETFE or fabric) roof covering over the current Western Terrace for maybe £1.5m, but that still leaves you with a very old terrace under a new roof.
The reality of the Western Terrace is that, like the banking of the old Eastern Terrace, it all has to come out and a complete new stand built and that is going to cost a fair few million I am afraid!'"
Bloody hell! How big is this screen if we've spent a fair few million on it!?!?
Because, of course, it was a straight choice between the two. Wasn't it Dodo?
Quote ="DancingDodo"Big Telly or a roof for the western terrace, nice to see their priorities are in order.'"
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| Quote ="Gotcha"
But the guy trolling was only talking about a roof not a new stand. And although I don't agree with that poster, he is still not wrong to question why the west stand does not have a roof.'"
Why would we just put a roof on?
Totally false economy. Even "just a roof" would have to go through planning, and all the relevant H&S checks if people were standing under it. You could possibly throw up a cheap, c[ir[/iap job attempt at some sort of cover for £500k but why??
There's nothing "wrong" with the western terrace, it doesn't "need" replacing. The RFL were more than happy with our facilities (IIRC we were one of only 3 "A GRADE" clubs), so what's the point in spending money to replace something when really we'd only want to do it again "properly" when the money became available.
If you're watching TV on a 19", but really you know you want a 50", you wouldn't go out and buy a 26" would you?? All it's going to do is mean it will take longer to save for the 50" that you really want. Unless the 19" is broken, just put up with it until you can afford the one you really want.
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| Quote ="Remarkable_Rhinos"Why would we just put a roof on?
Totally false economy. Even "just a roof" would have to go through planning, and all the relevant H&S checks if people were standing under it. You could possibly throw up a cheap, c[ir[/iap job attempt at some sort of cover for £500k but why??'"
We wouldn't which is what I was saying. It makes perfect sense to go the whole hog and get the stand done properly.
But just putting a roof on could still be done for cheaper than the screen IMO, which is why I said for an oppossition supporter to question it is not entirely wrong.
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| I don't understand the arguments, its simple mathematics. Spend £500k and please 80% of the paying audience or spend £1.5m plus to make 20% of the crowd happy? I think its a simple enough decision.
It was my understanding that the club had been trying to purchase the housing that's at the rear of the ground to enable them to build a bigger stand, is that correct?
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| Quote ="bewildered"I don't understand the arguments, its simple mathematics. Spend £500k and please 80% of the paying audience or spend £1.5m plus to make 20% of the crowd happy? I think its a simple enough decision.
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Most of those 20% will only make one visit a year to Headingley.
They should stop moaning and just be grateful that we let them into our great city (after wiping their feet).
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Most of those 20% will only make one visit a year to Headingley.
They should stop moaning and just be grateful that we let them into our great city (after wiping their feet).'"
exactly, i dont see the argument. The stand will get replaced eventually. The first one was the eastern terrace as if i remember correctly they needed to get that done as wasnt there a problem with the old foundations? Might be wrong there. Plus with the income from Leeds Met meant we could get it up with little debt. Next step was the Southstand as we all knew. But then the world financial turmoil kicked in. However by the souds of it that will be getting replaced in the next few years. The next program I would have thought would then be the redevelopment of the main stand with the backing of YCCC. With these three sides done we will probably look at the western terrace. Probably get dug out and kept to a similar size as it is now albeit with a roof. I would expect something similar to that of the Carniege stand now but without the second tier. We dont really need anything underneath the stand so I dont see why they dont send the public footpath through it in a tunnel? Surely that would be acceptable.
Also with the new SS and Main stand could we not run the floodlighting down the flanks like at Elland Road and OT? This would mean we could get shut of the pylons and that would add a bit more on the capacity.
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| Quote ="bewildered"exactly, i dont see the argument.'"
There isn't an argument. You're exactly right.
The thing is, we don't get our name "Whinos" for nothing. Some of our "fans" just have to find any possible smidgen of something to complain about.
Even if you'd think it was an announcement with no negatives at all (like, "We're getting a new screen!!!!"icon_wink.gif, don't underestimate the ability of people to find fault and whine.
It's quite a talent really.... watch;
Thread Title: Smith wins World winger of the year '11 with 44 tries!
Whino: How he managed to do that with that numpty as a centre God only knows.
Thread Title: Billy Slater joins Leeds and doesn't want paying!
Whino: Great, he gifts NZ the 4 nations and now we have to put up with him!
Thread Title: McF wins the lottery and is buying every SS.com member a new car!
Whino: I can't drive.
Whino 2: Mines arrived and it's red. I don't like red.
Thread Title: Leeds take revenge on Wire with a 84-4 Wembley Whitewash!
Whino: We really shouldn't have let that try in.
Whino 2: I know! And... my parking cost £35!!!
Try it! Go on... think of the most positive thing you can and start a thread. I give it 5 posts in before you've been creamed. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="bewildered"exactly, i dont see the argument. The stand will get replaced eventually. The first one was the eastern terrace as if i remember correctly they needed to get that done as wasnt there a problem with the old foundations? Might be wrong there. Plus with the income from Leeds Met meant we could get it up with little debt. Next step was the Southstand as we all knew. But then the world financial turmoil kicked in. However by the souds of it that will be getting replaced in the next few years. The next program I would have thought would then be the redevelopment of the main stand with the backing of YCCC. With these three sides done we will probably look at the western terrace. Probably get dug out and kept to a similar size as it is now albeit with a roof. I would expect something similar to that of the Carniege stand now but without the second tier. We dont really need anything underneath the stand so I dont see why they dont send the public footpath through it in a tunnel? Surely that would be acceptable.
Also with the new SS and Main stand could we not run the floodlighting down the flanks like at Elland Road and OT? This would mean we could get shut of the pylons and that would add a bit more on the capacity.'"
The South Stand is coming down at the end of next season... the old girl is on her last legs and a few of my fellow professionals would start to possibly lose some sleep if they were asked to give her another safety cert for yet another year!!!
I don't think there is a plan to replace the current floodlights with ones mounted on the stand roof, firstly because they are not as good because they lack the height and they are actually more costly to mount on a cantilever roof because you have more onerous serviceability limit states to meet (that means stopping them flapping around too much in the wind!). The current floodlights will have another 50 years in them easy!
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| Quote ="Remarkable_Rhinos"snip -
Thread Title: McF wins the lottery and is buying every SS.com member a new car!
Whino: I can't drive.
Whino 2: Mines arrived and it's red. I don't like red.
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This was all perfectly believable until this bit... McF hates the colour red!
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"This was all perfectly believable until this bit... McF hates the colour red!'"
Plus presumably McF would simply exchange the cars for cake.
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Stadium looks like it could be a beauty.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"This was all perfectly believable until this bit... McF hates the colour red!'"
Hence why he sent us lot a red one. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| If I won the Euro Lottery I may stretch to cake for everyone, as for red cars for everyone, 'fraid not, the money, even by Euro Lottery standards is already spent, and here's a clue, I didn't spend any of it, in fact I didn't even see it hit the bank.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"If I won the Euro Lottery I may stretch to cake for everyone, as for red cars for everyone, 'fraid not, the money, even by Euro Lottery standards is already spent, and here's a clue, I didn't spend any of it, in fact I didn't even see it hit the bank.'"
Tut! Selfish bas[it[/iard. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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