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| We seem to be established that Brian Mac's strengths are in fitness work, training, and discipline. There may be more to him than that, but that's the assumption at the moment.
The other main functions of the coach are player recruitment, and tactics. Hetherington will be in charge of the first under the Leeds set-up, and we seem to be in need of an assitant to be in charge of the latter. The problem is that the "tactics coaches" are usually the head-coaches and the "training coaches" are usually the number 2s. I can't imagine an experienced and intelligent coach (like Murray, for example) taking an assistant's position with a head-coach's skillset, to work under a head-coach with an assistant coach's skillset.
So we'll likely either get someone untested or with little experience, or someone who has a replica of McDermott's skills, neither of which are ideal.
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| My own choice would be an experienced back to help bring on what we currently have.
McDermott said he wanted someone to challenge his ideas and not be a McDermott mark 2.
I can not see any overseas coach coming to work as an understudy.
But it might be tempting to get an up and coming assistant coach from Oz to work with him.
Who do Canterbury have in their ranks seeing as we have teamed up with them?
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| Quote ="chapylad"My own choice would be an experienced back to help bring on what we currently have.
McDermott said he wanted someone to challenge his ideas and not be a McDermott mark 2.
I can not see any overseas coach coming to work as an understudy.
But it might be tempting to get an up and coming assistant coach from Oz to work with him.
Who do Canterbury have in their ranks seeing as we have teamed up with them?'"
Jim Dymock and Tony Grimaldi are familiar names on their roster.
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| Rumour from over the hill (Lancashire) is that Jimmy Lowes could be our new assistant coach !!
Source :- A wire fans who has club connections
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| I don't buy it. He seems happy working for TS, and didn't really like Leeds when he played for us (common knowledge around Hunslet). He then got pushed out to our biggest rivals (at the time) and went public many times with how he felt about Leeds after that.
To say I would be surprised would be an understatement.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"I don't buy it. He seems happy working for TS, and didn't really like Leeds when he played for us (common knowledge around Hunslet). He then got pushed out to our biggest rivals (at the time) and went public many times with how he felt about Leeds after that.
To say I would be surprised would be an understatement.'"
Thats what I said to the Wire supporter and would tend to agree with you !! , but he said it came from a source within the club !!
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"I don't buy it. He seems happy working for TS, and didn't really like Leeds when he played for us (common knowledge around Hunslet). He then got pushed out to our biggest rivals (at the time) and went public many times with how he felt about Leeds after that.
To say I would be surprised would be an understatement.'"
I would be very supprised.
As they are in aus looking at recruitment what about freddy fittler?
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| Quote ="Ferdy"I would be very supprised.
As they are in aus looking at recruitment what about freddy fittler?'"
Great player but hasn't he already tried coaching & been found wanting?
Do great players make the best coaches?
I'd say not generally.
But why would a No2 in Oz want to come over here to be a No2 & if it's somebody from there who's not proven doesn't that make it an even bigger gamble?
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| Quote ="Old Feller"Great player but hasn't he already tried coaching & been found wanting?
Do great players make the best coaches?
I'd say not generally.
But why would a No2 in Oz want to come over here to be a No2 & if it's somebody from there who's not proven doesn't that make it an even bigger gamble?'"
Very Good points O.F i'm sure GH and Brian have people in mind and hopefully it'll be sorted sooner rather than later because pre-season starts in a couple of weeks and i thibnk we need as much time as poss to get the new set up sorted and settled in.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"I would love to see Murray back but would he accept being an assistant after so long doing the top job where-ever he's been?
Someone like Kimmorly would be interesting but so many bemoaned the fact of our own ex-players getting coaching jobs so what would make that one any different?'"
In the Hugh McGahan 'Director Of Football' role ?
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| GH is effectively the director of football isn't he?
If its a skills coach you're after, there are a lot of very talented young coaches here who wouldn't be household names but could probably do a very good job under a head coach. I'd certainly also want to get someone in who could really help the Academy lads develop.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"GH is effectively the director of football isn't he?
If its a skills coach you're after, there are a lot of very talented young coaches here who wouldn't be household names but could probably do a very good job under a head coach. [uI'd certainly also want to get someone in who could really help the Academy lads develop.[/u'"
We are after 2 coaches both to assist the head coach and 1 of them to also over-see the u20's.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"If its a skills coach you're after, there are a lot of very talented young coaches here who wouldn't be household names but could probably do a very good job under a head coach. I'd certainly also want to get someone in who could really help the Academy lads develop.'"
Such as a Stuart Wilkinson or a John Bastian for example, both of whom Leeds were short-sighted enough not to retain in favour of a "jobs for retiring players" philosophy?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Such as a Stuart Wilkinson or a John Bastian for example, both of whom Leeds were short-sighted enough not to retain in favour of a "jobs for retiring players" philosophy?'"
They both left for better contracts and in Bastiens case he wanted to stay with TS and he knew Wire were going after him when he took the job.
SW was also getting frustrated at Leeds and felt it was time to move on.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"They both left for better contracts and in Bastiens case he wanted to stay with TS and he knew Wire were going after him when he took the job.
SW was also getting frustrated at Leeds and felt it was time to move on.'"
Who told you that bunch of inaccuracies?
Bastien had worked with Leeds for years before getting the job he had. He knew McDermott was getting the head of youth development and that's why he moved on. Yes he had a good offer from Wire and yes he liked working with Smith, but Leeds failed to retain him properly, otherwise he would have stayed.
Wilkinson left for one reason only, Tony Smith. As was the same with Brian McDermott, both had a fall out with Smith who only wanted yes men, and that's why Wilkinson went. Nothing to do with thinking it was time to move, he had to move.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Who told you that bunch of inaccuracies?
Bastien had worked with Leeds for years before getting the job he had. He knew McDermott was getting the head of youth development and that's why he moved on. Yes he had a good offer from Wire and yes he liked working with Smith, but Leeds failed to retain him properly, otherwise he would have stayed.
Wilkinson left for one reason only, Tony Smith. As was the same with Brian McDermott, both had a fall out with Smith who only wanted yes men, and that's why Wilkinson went. Nothing to do with thinking it was time to move, he had to move.'"
Wilkinson himself told me exactly what had gone with TS especially after the CC in 05 hence he was frustrated and decided the offer from Wigan was too good to turn down.
Again with Bastien he said himself the job at Wire was too good turn down.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He knew McDermott was getting the head of youth development ...'"
See my earlier "jobs for retiring players" comment.
What qualifications or experience does he have to take on probably one of the most important roles in any professional sporting club?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"See my earlier "jobs for retiring players" comment.
What qualifications or experience does he have to take on probably one of the most important roles in any professional sporting club?'"
Many voiced that opinion at the time but GH said himslef he impressed during the interview etc etc.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Many voiced that opinion at the time but GH said himslef he impressed during the interview etc etc.'"
Having personally appointed him, he's hardly going to say he was the cheapest, most available body he could find is he?
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| He brought through Lamont Bryan and Olsi Krasniqi at Quins you know. Is that enough?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Having personally appointed him, he's hardly going to say he was the cheapest, most available body he could find is he?
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Tbh given GH's track record i'd say he would'nt take such a huge gamble with our clubs future production of players to save a few ££££.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"He brought through Lamont Bryan and Olsi Krasniqi at Quins you know. Is that enough?'"
Barrie Mcdermott has absolutely nothing to do with Quinns production line!
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| Quote ="Bullseye"He brought through Lamont Bryan and Olsi Krasniqi at Quins you know. Is that enough?'"
I think you are confused - wrong McDermott?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Such as a Stuart Wilkinson or a John Bastian for example, both of whom Leeds were short-sighted enough not to retain in favour of a "jobs for retiring players" philosophy?'"
Spot on
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Tbh given GH's track record i'd say he would'nt take such a huge gamble with our clubs future production of players to save a few ££££.'"
Gary would do anything to save a few quid - that's his nature
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