The CC win was important to us as a club because the year before the CC loss was one of the lowest points in the clubs recent history

Mate, I don’t think you can compare trying to turn Gale into a prop with trying to coach Liam Sutcliffe to add some value in the position he has always played in.

Of course. We’ll all take the win.
But you can’t say the CC win is a great achievement and then say that the GF was a meaningless debacle.
Cant have it both ways I’m afraid.

I agree with you but I’m sick of reading our own fans belittling the CC win and what it meant to win it.

I don’t think either were a debacle and i can guarantee the players whi won either think that.

Erm you can. They changed the rules mid season, teams were dodging tough away ganes and making use of Covid rules. Was not a full season. Final not played in theatre of dreams, and downgraded to Hull!
CC was only comp that was won in the way it was intended. SL waa ruined by Covid changes...
But besides that we have won more than Wigan, Hull and Wire in past 2 years which ain't a bad achievement...

I think you’re missing everyone’s point on last seasons CC win.
No one is belittling the CC or what is needed to win it.
And of course a trophy is a trophy. I’m sure we all celebrated.

But last season was not a normal season.
We only played 3 games to win the CC!
Come on, hardly the foundations for a trophy laden era is it.

Are you for real?
The CC as played in the way intended?



We come in at QF stage and play 3 games to win it.



Ridiculous comment.

How many games do you usually have to win to win the CC? 4?

The point being we won the games we had to, the rest didn’t and if we were that poor of a side how come nobody beat us to the trophy?


Im not saying the CC win means everything is rosy and were where we need to be but theres a few on here just wave it away as a nothing achievement

I do agree with a fair bit of Brodies post but also you make some good points Christopher, let’s also not forget the timing of Covid crisis right when we’ve just paid a fortune for a new stadium rebuild

I would have thought as someone who has had to navigate through the pandemic as a business owner Brodie might have realised how difficult it was and not just wave it away as me saying its an ‘excuse’ it has been difficult for anyone running a business let alone one the size of the leeds club and as you say it came at a terrible time for the club having just rebuilt the stadium.

Thinking it won’t have affected recruiting and retention is ridiculous imo.

Don't think it effected retention and recruitment that much. We did incredibly well to get Tet, and King looks like a good player to me....

Wigan , Saints , Wire, Cas, Hull and Cats have done well with their recruiting and retention. No problems with them Chris. This seems to be becoming your page Christopher.

Maybe they have, doesn’t negate my point that it has affected ours, especially with retention.

Are you able to post without a childish dig?

Its not just a case of having your halfbacks available and the play will work, its also doing the basics right on the early tackles to put yourself in a position for your set plays to work, forwards hitting certain parts of the field to manipulate numbers on tackles 1,2,3 etc...Not necessarily bursting tackles but drawing in numbers, we'r terrible at doing that and thats coaching imo. Our pack make good yards but theres no plan to it, no direction when we start sets in good field position...Then we put that 2 option, left edge play on regardless of wether we'v worked the numbers to enable it to work or not, which very often we havnt.

I agree getting a settled halves pairing and FB will improve execution of our plays, but for me, what we do on tackles 1,2,3...hitting certain areas of the field in good field position sets to work numbers, needs to improve massively, and that can be done with good, clear coaching and with the players currently available.

If it were as simple as simply putting good attacking structures in place, there'd never be any need to sign or produce better players.

Having different pivots and 3/4s every week is always going to have a detrimental effect on the attack, it shouldn't be understated.

King Solomon could not have spoken wiser words....
Good players actually require very little coaching..!

If it were as simple as signing or producing better players, there'd be no need for an attack coach.

Having good structure in place can have a beneficial effect when having to slide lesser players into your team and still allowing your attack to function, it shouldnt be understated.

Can work both ways and the answers somewhere in the middle, a good team needs both. Still early days but for me, theres enough ability and the platform/field positions there for our attack to be better than it is at the moment.

Thats just not true, I wish you were running saints, they might never of replaced Cunningham with Holbrook.

They had a load of crap players under Cunningham, Holbrook signed Ben Barber!
BEN Barber would have made Cunninghams Saints look a bit better than Matty Smith!

Sorry, I dont get your point?

If you dont think coaching matters or that Holbrook over Cunninham made a massive difference, then you dont know what your talking about imo...Sorry if that sounds harsh.

Not harsh at all pal, never said it doesn't matter. Class players in the right positions make all the difference, that's what I'm saying. A fit Gale for us, full of swagger makes all the diference. Give us 4-6 weeks and then we'll judge this team better....

Leeds team under Dean Bell vs Leeds team under Graham Murray tells you all about the impact a quality coach can have with limited player turnover. Bizarre to suggest otherwise.

Some folk do come across a bit dense on here.
Do you think Holbrook coached Barba into the player he was, or Agar coached the Gale masterclass of Kicking vs Wigan in CC semi? Or anyone coached Long himself to play the way he did?
We need our best players back and ft before we know what this team is capable of. Main role of a coach is to keep a professional and confident camp..... Imho....

There are too many factors involved to just say a coach can make such a difference

Great sides have all the factors nailed, including luck with injuries