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| Quote ="rhino65"Disagree away, but the fact is that most posters as shown on the prediction thread expected a Leeds win.'"
It appears you're looking at the weekly prediction thread rather than
the preseason prediction thread that Gotcha is referencing.
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The preseason prediction thread does not contain information on individual games. Goalpost moving at best.
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| I agree. I tipped Wigan to finish well ahead of Leeds in preseason but also thought Leeds would win this particular fixture in the current circumstances.
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Before the season started I doubt anyone could have predicted how good Cas were going to be, another shallacking dished out last nigh.'"
Plenty - I'd say the majority - had Castleford finishing top four in the preseason thread. Perhaps not that many had them top two (can't remember without checking) but I think plenty saw them mixing it with the big boys this year. |
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Plenty saw Leeds not having a cat in hells chance of competing this year and perhaps struggling to avoid the Middle 8's because apparently losing our training ground and a shortened pre-season were just excuses.
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| Quote ="tvoc"I agree. I tipped Wigan to finish well ahead of Leeds in preseason but also thought Leeds would win this particular fixture in the current circumstances.
Plenty - I'd say the majority - had Castleford finishing top four in the preseason thread. Perhaps not that many had them top two (can't remember without checking) but I think plenty saw them mixing it with the big boys this year.'"
Predicting top 4 (haven't checked how many) and watching them post an average of over 40 points at home and sit top of the league I'm pretty sure would be not what folk were expecting. Unless you were of course. |
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I mean considering your the know it all sat on his beach chair never to actually go to a match, yet feels he can comment. '"
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I would suggest Castleford's relative high placing in a preseason poll of predominantly non Castleford fans shows many could indeed see them amongst this season's contenders. Time will tell if they can stay there but so far so good for the majority.
Did you enter? Where did you see them?
I don't think scoring points was a perceived issue for Cas, it was their defence that needed work.
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Did you envisage them top and averaging over 40 points per game at home?
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I doubt most people's predictions are that accurate when considering every side in the competition. Don't most people just rank the teams and have a view about their relative strengths/weaknesses?
Anyway, if the opposition was as awful as Leeds were against them, then the average is at least as much down to garbage defence as the Cas attack.
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Quote ="rhino65"Did you envisage them top and averaging over 40 points per game at home?'"
Where I envisaged them to be is on the record. If memory serves I had them 3rd after the opening 23 rounds - behind Warrington and Wigan. I can't say I'd given too much thought to the number of points any team would average at home but as said IMO it was Castleford's defence that needed to improve for them to become a contender.
Not sure we've heard from you yet beyond your earlier "before the season started I doubt anyone could have predicted how good Cas were going to be"
Castleford in our preseason comp were a popular pick for the Challenge Cup and at least one Leeds fan had them going all the way and winning at Old Trafford.
Then there was this from Dave Craven in the Yorkshire Post: www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/ru ... -1-8383549 |
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Where I envisaged them to be is on the record. If memory serves I had them 3rd after the opening 23 rounds - behind Warrington and Wigan. I can't say I'd given too much thought to the number of points any team would average at home but as said IMO it was Castleford's defence that needed to improve for them to become a contender.
Not sure we've heard from you yet beyond your earlier "before the season started I doubt anyone could have predicted how good Cas were going to be"
Castleford in our preseason comp were a popular pick for the Challenge Cup and at least one Leeds fan had them going all the way and winning at Old Trafford.
Then there was this from Dave Craven in the Yorkshire Post: www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/ru ... -1-8383549 | |
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| Quote ="tvoc"Where I envisaged them to be is on the record. If memory serves I had them 3rd after the opening 23 rounds - behind Warrington and Wigan. I can't say I'd given too much thought to the number of points any team would average at home but as said IMO it was Castleford's defence that needed to improve for them to become a contender.
Not sure we've heard from you yet beyond your earlier "before the season started I doubt anyone could have predicted how good Cas were going to be"'"
Let me clarify it for you and put your mind at ease............you haven't. |
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Reposting of the edit above
Castleford in our preseason comp were a popular pick for the Challenge Cup and at least one Leeds fan had them going all the way and winning at Old Trafford.
Then there was this from Dave Craven in the Yorkshire Post: www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/ru ... -1-8383549
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Castleford in our preseason comp were a popular pick for the Challenge Cup and at least one Leeds fan had them going all the way and winning at Old Trafford.
Then there was this from Dave Craven in the Yorkshire Post: www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/ru ... -1-8383549
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That's fascinating............no it really is.
That you're prepared to tackle the burning topic with such gusto is all credit to you.
Well played sir!
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I don't think Cas's form is really a surprise at all. They are top on merit and putting many teams to the sword to boot.
On pre season thoughts though, to put things into context most people's top two would have been Wigan and Warrington. Well, nobody could have foreseen the fall of the Wire and Wigan have had to dig deep with injuries to key players so have slipped a bit. Cas have taken advantage of this, credit to them.
Despite all this, i wouldn't be running to the bookies to put all my wages on Cas winning the GF just yet.
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I only get to see about four games per season ,last year it was only two.so I appreciate everyone's views and opinions and snippets of info ,but Having to to trawl through parts where people start slagging each other gets tedious and I have to jack it in.over on that other forum they clamp down on it straight away and I find them overly keen.come on lads on your own you provide good reading
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Cas will never win the GF.
I've got them down to win at Wembley, finish 3rd after 23 rounds but then drop out of the top 4 before the play offs.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Cas will never win the GF.
I've got them down to win at Wembley, finish 3rd after 23 rounds but then drop out of the top 4 before the play offs.'"
You may be correct but they did say that about Leeds until 2004.
Regardless of whether they win it or not their style of play and attacking attitude is a breath of fresh air to SL which I actually think is level above 2016 |
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"We are all entitled to an opinion and mine is based on rugby knowledge gained from 50 years of actively supporting Leeds and another 10 years from mainly watching on TV as I now live too far away to attend regular matches live. In addition I coached for almost 10 years I have had senior team management experience so I do have some qualifications to back up my rugby opinions.
Attending matches live does not make your opinion any better than those that watched the same game on TV as some things are missed on TV and some things are better seen on TV while interpreting the trends from stats can be done from anywhere. I did not give an opinion in this case on anything that could have been seen better live so once again your comment is invalid.
However you sound off on almost every thread, sometimes with valid comments in fairness, but more often with extreme and negative stuff including insults which does not make for a good debate. So I suggest you try to argue your case on a rugby basis rather than on a personal level and stop questioning the right to an opinion of those that have to watch on TV'"
I think you have got a bit precious there, and have completely misunderstood the point. You were the one who talked about sitting next to you in the stand, I mearly pointed out the obvious, which of course you have validated above. At no time have I suggested you can not put your opinion, and very often I have agreed with it. That said however, I refuse to accept that reading stats instead of seeing the match (and please don't tell me you get them all on TV) makes your opinion better or even equal to being there, which you suggest it does.
Let's not forget here it is you who has had a go at my opinion, apparently as negative, rather than the other way round. |
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I'd say watching on TV is equal to being there.
It's beneficial for some things but not for others.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"You may be correct but they did say that about Leeds until 2004.
Regardless of whether they win it or not their style of play and attacking attitude is a breath of fresh air to SL which I actually think is level above 2016'"
Who's they? I certainly didn't. Leeds were a sleeping giant pre-2004. Cas have always been a small time, small town club.
Can see them winning at Wembley if they meet the right team in the final, but a GF win isn't going to happen any time soon. |
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| Quote ="Gotcha"At no time have I suggested you can not put your opinion....'"
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Quote ="Gotcha"I mean considering your the know it all sat on his beach chair never to actually go to a match, yet feels he can comment. '"
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| Quote ="loiner81"oh look
he's telling porkies again.'"
Does Southstanders village idiot have to get involved in everything with other people. Quote the full post if you want to be involved, there is context. |
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Does Southstanders village idiot have to get involved in everything with other people. Quote the full post if you want to be involved, there is context.'"
Coming from someone who can barely string 3 words together without making spelling or grammatical errors...
Anyway, I quoted the full sentence. You implied that he wasn't allowed to comment because he didn't go to the game. Something you've been saying on here for years, it's really quite pathetic. |
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| Quote ="loiner81"Cas will never win the GF.
I've got them down to win at Wembley, finish 3rd after 23 rounds but then drop out of the top 4 before the play offs.'"
Three weeks is all it took for this poster to change his mind. Give him another three weeks and Cas will be winning the GF.
Quote ="loiner81"Never going to happen. They had their chance in 2014 but were so happy to just be in a final that most of their squad forgot to turn up on the day, especially Luke Dorn.
That small town, small time club mentality is why they'll never win anything and is why beating a club like Leeds in the league is the pinnacle of their season.'" |
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Three weeks is all it took for this poster to change his mind. Give him another three weeks and Cas will be winning the GF.
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If I remember rightly, that was a post made to bait a certain humourless Cas fan that spends too much time on here.
If you want my real feelings on Cas, here's my 2017 season prediction from February, as I alluded to earlier in this very thread....
Quote ="loiner81"Regular Season
Warrington
Wigan
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Leeds
Hull FC
Saints
Catalans
Hudds
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Salford
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Leigh
Hull KR
GF Warrington
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MPG: Hull KR v Widnes with Hull KR to win promotion.'"
Nice try though Gotcha and well done on trying to divert attention away from you being called out for telling other
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