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| Quote ="Frosties."Keep Carl Ablett, Ryan Bailey, Matt Diskin, and fingers crossed Ali Lauitiiti for one more season.
Keith Senior, Danny Buderus to retire.
Scott Donald to return to Aus.'"
I reckon Ali's got more than one season left in him.
If we can get Senior to stay on the cheap I'd keep him for another year. His age and retiring from internationals will weaken his negotiating position.
If Donald goes who do we replace him with?
Unconvinced by putting a novice like Broughton in as our first choice SL winger.
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| Quote ="Mr Scruff"I reckon Ali's got more than one season left in him.
If we can get Senior to stay on the cheap I'd keep him for another year. His age and retiring from internationals will weaken his negotiating position.
If Donald goes who do we replace him with?
Unconvinced by putting a novice like Broughton in as our first choice SL winger.'"
broughton got loads of experience last year, and will no doubt get plenty more this coming year. by the time that renewals are being offered, the club should have seen enough of him to make a decision
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| Quote ="Mr Scruff"Unconvinced by putting a novice like Broughton in as our first choice SL winger.'"
Who is Leeds' current left winger, where did he come from and is he up to the job?
Broughton would've been my choice to replace Donald in 2010 but Leeds decided to retain Donald for a further year and (for the first time that I can recall) exceed the limit on overseas trained players.
If Broughton does end up elsewhere as a consequence that will be a pity, IMO.
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"broughton got loads of experience last year, and will no doubt get plenty more this coming year. by the time that renewals are being offered, the club should have seen enough of him to make a decision'"
They also need to start giving Watkins gametime next year if he is expected to be the replacement for Senior.
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| Quote ="finglas"They also need to start giving Watkins gametime next year if he is expected to be the replacement for Senior.'"
Kallum Watkins & Paul McShane must be in for a bit of game time this season if Brian McClennan has chose not to loan those two out...
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| Quote ="The Joker®"Kallum Watkins & Paul McShane must be in for a bit of game time this season if Brian McClennan has chose not to loan those two out...'" I'd hope so but Watkins (and McShane I think) will both bew elligible for the revamped academy team which the others are not as far as I understand it.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Who is Leeds' current left winger, where did he come from and is he up to the job?
Broughton would've been my choice to replace Donald in 2010 but Leeds decided to retain Donald for a further year and (for the first time that I can recall) exceed the limit on overseas trained players.
If Broughton does end up elsewhere as a consequence that will be a pity, IMO.'"
It's a fair point, but the odd time Hall stepped in to the first team in 08 he looked fairly decent I thought.
Admittedly I've not seen as much of Broughton but from what I have seen he doesn't seem all that great.
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| Quote ="Mr Scruff"Admittedly I've not seen as much of Broughton but from what I have seen he doesn't seem all that great.'"
I haven't seen that much either but when I have I've been impressed by his speed and footwork. The rest like all young players probably needs work but no surprises there and the same can very much be said of his centre partner.
He should already have an understanding with Watkins though from their Academy days together which could prove useful to both stepping up.
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| Quote ="Mr Scruff"I reckon Ali's got more than one season left in him.
If we can get Senior to stay on the cheap I'd keep him for another year. His age and retiring from internationals will weaken his negotiating position.
If Donald goes who do we replace him with?
Unconvinced by putting a novice like Broughton in as our first choice SL winger.'"
Wouldn't the player that this thread started about be the obvious candidate?
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| Quote ="tvoc"I haven't seen that much either but when I have I've been impressed by his speed and footwork. The rest like all young players probably needs work but no surprises there and the same can very much be said of his centre partner.
He should already have an understanding with Watkins though from their Academy days together which could prove useful to both stepping up.'" I wasn't impressed with his speed when that young whippersnapper Sinfield rounded him at Hull.
The correct career progression for Broughton would be to do what Ryan Hall did in 2007/2008. Expect better players ahead of you to be selected but take your opportunities when given them with a view to establishing yourself as first choice in 2011.
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| Quote ="Vic Mackey"Wouldn't the player that this thread started about be the obvious candidate?'"
Needs to be played at FB in my opinion.
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| Quote ="UnleashKeith Carnegie"Needs to be played at FB in my opinion.'"
In place of Webb?
I'm hoping BJB will have a good year darn sarf and then come back to be our first choice wing/backup FB in 2011...IIRC correctly Webb's contract may then be up and BJB (if he's proved upto it) should be in with a a shout for first choice FB in 2012
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| I do enjoy all this speculation about who will be where and doing what in 2012.
Who is to say that Jones-Bishop won't find playing in SL under Brian McDermott so much fun that he wants to do it full time rather than return to Leeds after his loan spell?
Or that by the time Brent Webb's contract is up there won't be some whippersnapper out of the next generation of scholarship kids ready to step up to first team level?
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| Quote ="Vic Mackey"In place of Webb?
I'm hoping BJB will have a good year darn sarf and then come back to be our first choice wing/backup FB in 2011...IIRC correctly Webb's contract may then be up and BJB (if he's proved upto it) should be in with a a shout for first choice FB in 2012'"
I can see him going out on loan the season after next too, giving him two years SL experience to come back in and replace an off contract Webb.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"I do enjoy all this speculation about who will be where and doing what in 2012.
Who is to say that Jones-Bishop won't find playing in SL under Brian McDermott so much fun that he wants to do it full time rather than return to Leeds after his loan spell?
Or that by the time Brent Webb's contract is up there won't be some whippersnapper out of the next generation of scholarship kids ready to step up to first team level?'"
Very true - I got somewhat sidetracked but my underlying point was that we don't really need to worry about who replaces Donald in 2010
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| Quote ="UnleashKeith Carnegie"I can see him going out on loan the season after next too, giving him two years SL experience to come back in and replace an off contract Webb.'"
He'll be 22 next year - if he's not good enough for Leeds at that point I suspect it'll be time to move on and make room for the next "next big thing"
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| Quote ="Vic Mackey"He'll be 22 next year - if he's not good enough for Leeds at that point I suspect it'll be time to move on and make room for the next "next big thing"'"
I think backs and forwards differ in this respect. With a back IMO it's easier to tell at an early age whether they are going to have what it takes to cut the mustard at a top club. If they aren't kicking down the door demanding selection with their ability by the time they get to 22-23 then it's not going to happen.
Forwards however need time to mature physically. You need only look at Jamie Peacock for evidence that a forward who isn't playing regularly at 21-22 can still go on and have a successful career in the game.
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| Quote ="G1"I wasn't impressed with his speed when that young whippersnapper Sinfield rounded him at Hull.
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That was rugby nous not a foot race unless you think Sinfield is actually faster than Broughton?
I prefer to acknowledge his performance at Belle Vue and in the Headingley 9's for examples of his pace.
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| Quote ="tvoc"That was rugby nous not a foot race unless you think Sinfield is actually faster than Broughton?
I prefer to acknowledge his performance at Belle Vue and in the Headingley 9's for examples of his pace.'" I've no idea which is faster. I do know I saw Sinfield outpace him to the corner with relative ease.
I can see why you'd rather not acknowledge his performance against us. Wasn't that the one when he tackled himself and fell over with the line at his mercy?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"If they aren't kicking down the door demanding selection with their ability by the time they get to 22-23 then it's not going to happen.'"
But he could easily be ready for SL, it's just that Brent Webb is blocking his way.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"I think backs and forwards differ in this respect. With a back IMO it's easier to tell at an early age whether they are going to have what it takes to cut the mustard at a top club. If they aren't kicking down the door demanding selection with their ability by the time they get to 22-23 then it's not going to happen.
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That's my take as well.
To be fair, I think this is what the cap was brought in for. If he has got talent but he's behind a world class Webb for the 1 shirt and not in the running for a wing spot then he should be out playing SL for another club in some shape or form. It's got to be good for the game.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"But he could easily be ready for SL, it's just that Brent Webb is blocking his way.'"
In which case other clubs are going to be sniffing around him for a more permanent move, and the lad himself is probably going to want to be on his way by that point rather than sit in the reserves - much like Danny Allan was.
Certainly if Webb gets his contract renewed I'd be surprised to see BJB stick around.
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| Quote ="G1"I've no idea which is faster. I do know I saw Sinfield outpace him to the corner with relative ease.
I can see why you'd rather not acknowledge his performance against us. Wasn't that the one when he tackled himself and fell over with the line at his mercy?'"
I saw Sinfield use men in support of his run and a change of direction to beat Broughton to the corner
From what I've seen of both I know which one I think is faster in a foot race and it isn't the Leeds captain.
So are we to take it you don't rate Jodie Broughton?
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| When Webbs contracts up,Lee Smith should be ready to return from yawnion!!
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| Quote ="Norman Stanley Fletcher"When Webbs contracts up,Lee Smith should be ready to return from yawnion!!'"
IIRC another 2 yrs mate!!
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