The team is joint top of the table so not sure what more McClennan can do given the troops at his disposal.

The Senior players have to take a big chunk of the blame

Sinfield's attempt at a tackle for the first 2 Wigan trys was shambolic - embarassing is probably more apt. Senior's first half display was woeful and his offload at the start of the 2nd half which turned the game was stupid. The penalties given away by McGuire and JJB - unacceptable

Penalties - we are simply dumb with some we give away - Ali's when we had the pressure was unforgiveable

McClennan - I am his biggest fan but selecting 17 and only playing 16 is just ridiculous - taking Buderus off when we had the game controlled was also a big mistake IMO - Diskin is a very poor substitute

We lost it happens - we will still finish top 2

Other than the first few and last few words, and changing a few names and deleting "biggest fan", what you have just written could have been written about most Bradford games this season.

The difference is those first and last words.

You are complaining about precisely what we have been complaining about. Yet you are 2nd and we are 12th. Suggests maybe some of you are falling into the same trap Bulls fans did - of always expecting to win and win well? Bulls regularly used to win games without playing well - and sometimes we would lose them to a team who played better. I'd suggest you have a long way worse to get before you need to really start worrying!

I don't know why, but the "Bullman and Bullboy" novelty sheet immediately made me think of Morecambe and Wise christmas specials when they both shared the same bed.

I don't know why, but the "Bullman and Bullboy" novelty sheet immediately made me think of Morecambe and Wise christmas specials when they both shared the same bed.

Sums it up perfectly.

Obviously I can't speak for others, but I don't expect to win each game, in truth I expect to see us improve throughout the season to peak for the big games. This season we have continuously made the same fundamental errors (ball control and discipline) all year with very little improvement.

I expect performance, results are secondary and will look after themselves if the performance is right.

We should NEVER take Buderus off, just about every time he has been subbed off in recent weeks we collapse, he comes back on we escape. He went his entire Aussie career playing 80 mins but now we decide to spell him for Disko? Sadly it doesn't look like we'll have any option as the injury looked bad.

Wigan always beat us once a season but not when it really matters (P.Offs, CC etc)

Buderus HAD to be subbed,he was struggling before the match and was out way before the team doing a fitness test,so it was inevitable he would be subbed.
The biggest things out of this match for me were woeful defending,p#ss poor discipline and our coach playing only 16 men then publicly admitting he "didn't see how to get the other sub into the game"!


Plus we were totally outplayed in the 2nd half.

Don't disagree with any of that but don't you think McClennan and his senoir players should have sorted our discipline out by now?

I would imagine that you are a master of self-love.

Don't think that is as clear cut now, I think it's advantage Giants. Only a massive challenge cup distraction will help.

You evidently have an extremely low opinion of RL in general if you are categorising Wigan and their performance as "2nd rate".

Take a straw poll of neutrals and most will say they were thoroughly entertained watching last nights game.

I expect very few will see Wigan as "second rate".

Maybe you should consider reversing the lobotomy?

Buderus was obviously not match fit yet still had a brilliant game. At Birch services he had to carryout some stretching exercises in the car park and then had a mini fitness test before the warm up session. Everyone of us needs to pray that his substitution was partly precautionary because without him our "three in a row" quest is over!

It's the senior players that are giving the penaties away.
Didn't Danny M give 4 away?

4 penaties in a match!

and it's all down to tiredness.

Can anyone answer how many halves of RL have Leeds has this season without scoring? tvoc?

Scoreless halves by Leeds in 2009:

Bradford Away 2nd Half
Harlequins Home 1st Half (and all but the final 60 seconds of the 2nd also)
Huddersfield Home 1st Half
Wigan Away 2nd Half

Half time to Result:

Winning at Half Time - Won 12, Lost 2 (Les Catalans (A), Wigan (A))

Losing at Half Time - Lost 5, Won 4 (Hull KR (A), Huddersfield (H), Wakefield (A), Hull KR (H))

Drawing at Half Time - won 0, Lost 1 (Bradford (A))

Stuff the result – the missus and I were on the box again, ok so we were both sat there looking mighty p*ssed off but on the box all the same.

That’s twice this season and once on the official RFL 2008 season review DVD – that makes me a celebrity.

We lost to the better team on the night, it is allowed you know.

Notwithstanding the result, the game was exciting and Wigan deserve huge praise for their 'Big One' campaign. Easy to be cynical etc but they got 20k+ in on a Friday night. Great atmosphere, plenty of noise etc

You still ed that Kyle Briggs got the boot?

Now he definitely wasn't up to SL standard

The second half was very very poor. Diskin's service from acting half was dreadful. I'm a fan of his, and I wasn't overly impressed by the signing of Buderus, but TBH he's playing like an NL hooker at best. Some of his passing was woefully slow and misdirected. That hurts the whole team. Near the end the penalties just became a joke as Leeds clearly stopped trying some time before then.

For the only areas that can be significantly improved is dissent, off side and in and around the ruck.

We did not give any penalties for dissent, Off-side is unforgiveable - I think we only gave one penalty away - it is around the ruck - we seem very slow at moving away from the tackle the likes of JJB and Ablett appear to be very slow.

The only problem with that is the ref's lack of consistency - IMO Leeds have been on the end of some pretty poor reffing where different interpretations have been applied to the opposition. The penalty awarded against McGuire for interference when he trying to take avoiding action as the winger jumped for the ball is the type of 50/50 decision that has gone against us.

Who was the main culrpit for that on Friday?

Either JJB or McGuire although I am not sure how many of the penalties given against McGuire were for holding down - one certainly wasn't holding down

I saw someone in a Homer mask, I assume it was our very own Springfield resident

2 Leeds 22 16 0 6 589 385 32
3 Huddersfield 22 15 0 7 548 344 30

Funny sort of an advantage that. I wonder if they'd swap their "advantage" for our position if offered.