Fair point. Just being contextual....

Is this where I join the mob rule relegating the Challenge Cup to being somehow less worthy or hold my hands up to an honest mistake?

You'll perhaps have noted how coach's records head to head haven't been used before. Now you can see why.

I may have to consider relying on Opta stats in future, they seem more accurate.

Well they're certainly guaranteed not to include any Challenge Cup fixtures when you use the Super League website to access them.

But Bluey probably did enjoy one of those two wins a hell of a lot more than saints enjoyed any of their five

True enough. He looked like he enjoyed last night as well.

First time he's coached Leeds to a win in those conditions as well.

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Which season was this? I don't think it was 2009.

And then he's at it again.


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And then

Who are Leeds playing next Friday?

After today's promising news with regards Kevin Sinfield's potential injury.

His next SL Regular Round start will be his 250th. He is therefore set to become only the second Leeds player to reach the mark after Keith Senior (256).

Jamie Peacock's next SL Regular Round appearance will be his 100th for the club. He will become the 23rd player to do this for Leeds, the last being Gareth Ellis who incidentally reached the mark on the final Regular Round game of last season.

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The current top 10 SL Era Appearance chart contains seven of the present 1st team squad.

1 - Kevin Sinfield - 331
2 - Keith Senior - 312
=3 - Francis Cummins - 268
=3 - Barrie McDermott - 268
5 - Rob Burrow - 266
6 - Matt Diskin - 233
7 - Danny McGuire - 213
=8 - Ryan Bailey - 190
=8 - Jamie Jones-Buchanan - 190
10 - Chev Walker - 183

If experience and familiarity counts for anything Leeds should be reasonably competitive around this period.

Didn't realise Ryan had that many...and under how many different coaches (4?) has he played.

Funny how all those opposition fans think he's lucky to get a game

It was Daryl Powell that gave Ryan Bailey his debut (28th June 2002) as an 18 year old. He became the 91st player to play for Leeds in the SL Era.

Therefore it's three Leeds coaches.



Opposition fans know diddly squat about Leeds.

Next opponents - Salford City Reds

Leeds SL Era Record V Salford

All Comps: All Fixtures
Played 23, Won 22, Drawn 0, Lost 1, Pts For 825, Pts Agst 384 ..... Avg Scr (36-17) ..... 96%

All Comps: The Willows:
Played 11, Won 11, Drawn 0, Lost 0, Pts For 359, Pts Agst 186 ..... Avg Scr (33-17) ..... 100%

SL Reg Rds: As above (top)

SL Reg Rds: The Willows: As above (2nd top)

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Leeds' Biggest Win: 56 - 6 (Headingley - 6th July 2001)
Leeds' Biggest Win At The Willows: 48 - 16 (5th May 2002)
Leeds' Widest Winning Margin: As above (top)
Leeds' Widest Winning Margin At The Willows: 44 - 0 (12th April 2004)
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Salford's Biggest Win: 30 - 20 (Headingley - 13th April 2009)
As they haven't recorded a win yet in the SL Era in this home fixture
Salford's Smallest Defeat At The Willows: 18 - 19 (16th June 2006)


Salford's Widest Winning Margin: As above (top)
Salford's Narrowest Losing Margin At The Willows: As above (bottom)


Brian McClennan's record V Salford:
Played 1, Won 0, Drawn 0, Lost 1, Pts For 20, Pts Agst 30, Avg Scr (20-30), 0%

Leeds W/D/L record V Salford in sequence:

W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W L

Next opponents - Hull KR

Leeds SL Era Record V Hull KR

All Comps: All Fixtures
Played 8, Won 7, Drawn 0, Lost 1, Pts For 215, Pts Agst 112 ..... Avg Scr (27-14) ..... 88%

All Comps: Headingley:
Played 4, Won 4, Drawn 0, Lost 0, Pts For 122, Pts Agst 48 ..... Avg Scr (31-12) ..... 100%

SL Play Offs: Never met.

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Leeds' Biggest Win: 44 - 4 (Headingley - 22nd Feb 2002 - Challenge Cup)
Leeds' Biggest Win At Headingley: See Above
Leeds' Widest Winning Margin: See above
Leeds' Widest Winning Margin At Headingley: See Above
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Hull KR's Biggest Win: 22 - 20 (Craven Park - 10th March 2007)
As they haven't recorded a win yet in the SL Era in this Away fixture
Hull KR's Smallest Defeat At Headingley: 12 - 20 (2nd Feb 200icon_cool.gif


Hull KR's Widest Winning Margin: As above (top)
Hull KR's Narrowest Losing Margin At Headingley: As above (bottom)


Brian McClennan's record V Hull KR:
Played 4, Won 4, Drawn 0, Lost 0, Pts For 99, Pts Agst 58, Avg Scr (25-15), 100%

Leeds W/D/L record V Hull KR in sequence:

W =redL W W W W W W

Leeds W/D/L record SL Play Offs in sequence:

W =redL W =redL L L W =redL L W =redL L L L W W W =redL L L W W =redL W W

Lee Smith's next Appearance will be the 100th of his Leeds career when he will become the 27th player to do so for Leeds in the SL Era.

Luke Burgess' next Appearance will be the 50th of his Leeds career.

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Rob Burrow's next Appearance will be number 268 of his Leeds career and it will put him equal 3rd on the SL Era list joining Francis Cummins and Barrie McDermott.

Kevin Sinfield tops the list with 331 while Keith Senior is next best on 312.

That makes us look quite rubbish at play-off rugby (good thing that a fair few of those W are in Grand Finals)

Leeds were pretty rubbish at it for quite a long time weren't they. It helps to remember the record, never take the W's for granted.

Some Play Off stats as that is where we are now.

Most Play Off Games: St Helens 27

Most Play Off Wins: St Helens 17
Most Play Off Loses: Leeds 14

Most Play Off Points Scored: Bradford 636
Most Play Off Points Conceded: Wigan 559

Most Consecutive Play Off Wins: St Helens 7
Most Consecutive Play Off Loses: Hull & Leeds 4

Biggest Aggregate Attendance (excluding finals): Wigan 318,457
Biggest Average Attendance (excluding finals): Leeds 14,765

Most Finals: Bradford & St Helens 6

you missed off most final wins mate

tvoc, you are a Leeds stats God!

As tad said, it would be good to add most GF wins!



Also, while we might have the most loses that is because we have been in the play off's every year and you have course got to be in it to win it!

and we were awful for a lot of those years!

That is also true... but it was mainly a subtle go at one of our near neighbours.

I did but here it is just for you:

St Helens 4

I thought I'd bigged up St Helens enough as it was already.

The full list of GF Winners:

Wigan 1
St Helens 4
Bradford 3
Leeds 3



Bearing in mind these records were set over the first eleven seasons of the Play Offs, so were Bradford and St Helens so it didn't automatically follow that it would be the only other everpresent.

Now that Bradford have missed out is SL down to a big two?

I'm not typing that out again so it goes here for future reference:

14 clubs have appeared in the 72 Play Off matches.

There have been a total of 33 coaches involved so far.

Most GF Wins: Brian Noble 3
Most GF Loses: Daniel Anderson 2, Brian Noble 2
Most Play Off Matches: Brian Noble 20
Most Play Off Wins: Brian Noble 16
Most Play Off Loses: Shaun McRae 5, Stuart Raper 5

Best Play Off Win Percentage: John Monie, Kevin Walters 100%

Worst Play Off Win Percentage: Nathan Brown, Andy Goodway, Karl Harrison, James Lowes, Terry Matterson, Justin Morgan, John Pendlebury, Tony Rea, Jon Sharp, Graham Steadman - All 0%

Trivia: Daniel Anderson (8 matches) never coached in a Play Off game that wasn't played at either Knowsley Road or Old Trafford

Well John's record looks to be safe but I think Kevin should be worried!

Thats surprising given the fact that only Bradford have won it form 3rd, and no team has won it more than 2 years on the trot.

What is the results sequence?

03-Oct-99 ….. SL 4 - FE ….. St Helens 36 ….. Castleford 6
09-Oct-99 ….. SL 4 - GF ….. Bradford 6 ….. St Helens 8
22-Sep-00 ….. SL 5 - QPO ….. St Helens 16 ….. Bradford 11
29-Sep-00 ….. SL 5 - QSF ….. Wigan 16 ….. St Helens 54
14-Oct-00 ….. SL 5 - GF ….. St Helens 29 ….. Wigan 16
22-Sep-01 ….. SL 6 - EPO ….. St Helens 38 ….. Leeds 30
28-Sep-01 ….. SL 6 - ESF ….. Hull 20 ….. St Helens 24

The run included their back to back titles after finishing second in the table that we don't seem to hear much about these days.