If we can win 2 of are next 3 over the Easter we will be 8 from 11 just under halfway, I'd have taken that at start of season 7 from 11 would be not too shabby. That's top 4 form

The question posed after the defeat to Cas was jusge us after the next four games. So you would have to say the coach and players have responded very well and done all that was asked of them in that time. Only Cas are making more metres per game than Leeds and we have shown good improvement in most areas of the game. So a big well done

Things are going pretty well. The team looks better with Moon and McGuire together. Parcel is looking good.

Will be interesting to see the pack when everyone is fit.

You can't argue with that

You can argue with the silly stat about metres made. Considering at the time of post, only one other side had played as many games, and some had played two less.

He said metres made PER GAME, not metres made in total which obviously would be skewed by amount of games played.

What is the problem with you diving in and putting a downer on anything positive about the team/ club. Are you a Rhinos fan or a WUM.

He did, you are correct.

Although considering they are now joint sixth in that stat on average gain, and even behind the Giants, I still believe it was an irrelevant point to make.

They are second in the most missed tackles, but I guess that is not allowed to be mentioned. So we will stick with the top off loaders, which to be fair is something me personally like to see in the game.

I think the point I was trying to support was the improvement in attitude since the Cas game.

I know, I was being sarcastic. But pointing it out anyway.

We are joint 6th on average gain per carry....yet as pointed out we are making 2nd most metres per game so really all you've pointed out is that we are getting more of the ball than the opposition, is this a problem?

You wrongly criticise someone for using a stat based on other teams playing less but then use the missed tackle stat to criticise the team. As the previous poster mentioned are you a Leeds fan or a WUM???

The point he made was much more relevant than your latest BS rumour from your mate at Show Me The Money that's for sure.

Warrington have missed the fewest tackles this season according to the stats too, maybe if they started missing more they could kick start their season

Surely the most important statistic is where we are in the league........a bit of a maverick, out there thought.

Plenty of debate to be had re-performances/selections etc but its a fair point.
Stats don't always portray the full picture within a game but this one you mention is spot on the points on the board from the W column are the most important & the crucial one that will determine where we finish.

rhinos65's only been here a short while but he/she's nailed it already.

What rumour? McDermott hasn't been sacked again has he, like last year?

As usual you jump in without thought. My point was accurate and relevant as it demonstrated how well we have progressed. That you chose to defend your default position of chief critic and negative commentator of the club you purport to follow with further negativity at a time when we should be celebrating an improvement in our fortunes shows your opinions for their true worth.

So some stars are allowed and some not? Seems a bit hypocritical al of you don't you think?

No one said some stats aren't allowed. You criticised the stat he brought up because some teams had played less games even though he said PER GAME.....and you then came up with the one about missed tackles saying we've conceded the 2nd most, disregarding that we've played more. A closer look will tell you that only 3 teams are missing more tackles PER GAME than us.

these things get made up as we go along.

It was clearly stated that if not a positive stat, then you are being negative. Not just one post either. Hence, not allowed. I even posted the positive about offloads, but only a negative is responded on. Difference is I show a balanced position.

I mentioned missed tackles in comparison to the metres made stat, nothing more. Although it is a poor stat, it has no more bearing at this stage than the metres one does.

At this stage stats are worthless until at the very least all teams have played each other and the same amount of games. They do not show progression without that full comparison,

I wonder if you'd think the stats were worthless if we were lowest for metres made per game and offloads and highest for missed tackles and errors???

I never said or inferred what stats are allowed or not. I made a fair point which you tried to rubbish with an inaccurate comment. When this was pointed out by others instead of accepting your mistake with grace you pursued your negative agenda at a time when most were celebrating our turnaround in form.

I find it difficult to take your comments seriously as you have all the hallmarks of that sort of know-it-all who comes and sits next to you in the stand and won't shut up.

That would be a bit hard that one, I mean considering your the know it all sat on his beach chair never to actually go to a match, yet feels he can comment. Again a very hypocritical comment from you, and you kind of walked straight into that.

Jeez you really are piece if work. Why on earth is his opinion on stats or anything else for that matter any less valid because he wasn't at a game?

We are all entitled to an opinion and mine is based on rugby knowledge gained from 50 years of actively supporting Leeds and another 10 years from mainly watching on TV as I now live too far away to attend regular matches live. In addition I coached for almost 10 years I have had senior team management experience so I do have some qualifications to back up my rugby opinions.

Attending matches live does not make your opinion any better than those that watched the same game on TV as some things are missed on TV and some things are better seen on TV while interpreting the trends from stats can be done from anywhere. I did not give an opinion in this case on anything that could have been seen better live so once again your comment is invalid.

However you sound off on almost every thread, sometimes with valid comments in fairness, but more often with extreme and negative stuff including insults which does not make for a good debate. So I suggest you try to argue your case on a rugby basis rather than on a personal level and stop questioning the right to an opinion of those that have to watch on TV