What??? Wigan gained 41 points from 30 league games (exactly the same as Leeds as it happens). WTF does their away form have to do with anything? In fact, by that logic Leeds should not have won the LLS due to their abysmal home form! (Haven't checked, but I'm assuming that we won more than 4 away games

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no doubt it is harder to do the treble, i readily admit that. I think it is far harder to do the treble for the simple reason there are more games.

Im talking specifically about the LLS, and each teams run was as similar as it is possible for them to be.

Its your argument that the LLS is far more difficult to win, im asking if that is the case, how can a Wigan side who had such a 'downside' win it (which for the bounce of a ball they would have done) Surely if its so difficult, only better teams would do it?

We are talking about 2013 not 2014, and yes London were terrible in 2014. However in 2013 London had 12 points from 27 games.

Regardless, i accept that other peoples subjective opinions may differ, however the point argued before was that the structure made it harder to win, If the answer is it was more difficult to win because of a subjective opinion on the relative strengths of the leagues, we just have different opinions on that. Im simply disagreeing that the super 8s make it more difficult to win the LLS.
But its equal difficulty for everyone that year.

I would accept what you have put here as an explanation of why Hudds earned more points in 2013 from fewer games than Leeds in 2015. But its not an explanation of why Hudds earned more points than everyone else in 2013 and why it was easier to do that in 2013 than 2015.

Where did i mention the treble? I'm not talking about the treble. The cup semi final and Final affected our LLS win because we had that to contend with during the super 8's. Our run in wasn't similar to Wigan or Huddersfield because we had 2 extra games to play. Without the super 8's, we win the LLS comfortably. The league table said so. Can't argue with facts, son

I think I will leave it there - I have seen the lengths you will go to on previous threads & I am losing the will.

Let's just agree that you think it's easier (or at least as easy) to win the LLS under the new format, whereas I believe it is more difficult now.

It would be interesting to ask Rhinos players playing in 2007-2014 & 2015 which they found more difficult as I guess they would know more than most.

i think you have misunderstood what i was saying. I agree entirely it was more difficult for us to win the LLS last year compared to Wigan and Hudds last year because we played more games (due to us winning the CC). I disagree it is harder to just win the LLS this year compared to previous years.

I could just as easily suggest that this points to a challenging season, in so far as one of the best teams, with no CC run to speak of, was unable to muster victories at will.

I've seen a number of players and coaches say throughout the year that the new structure made the league a much tougher and intense competition. Talk about how you need to be on it every week whereas teams often talked about peaking at certain points during the old format. Peacock for one talked about how the previous years lacked in intensity......still what does Peacock know eh?

I've no idea what anybody is on about on this thread any more.

And another one bored into submission. Smokey's relentless.

Yep, this sort of thing is becoming common on these boards (Not just Smokey btw). To summarise;

- Smokey and a Giants fan don't believe the LLS should be given any extra significance when won as part of the treble or under the new league structure (and have kind of explained why they feel this way)

- Many others believe the new structure does make winning the LLS more difficult (and have given reasons they believe this) and also believe winning it as part of a treble makes it more significant (and have given reasonable explanations for why they believe this)

So rather than petty point scoring, and trying to 'prove' ones opinion is more correct than the others, why not just discuss the pro's and con's of each, accept there are different opinions and move on.... It's getting tedious sometimes and I think plenty of people are turning away from what can be a real good platform for sharing thoughts, opinions, news, rumours etc....

There's no prize for who gets the most 'wins' on here... It's good to have different opinions... Don't feel the need to keep going over and over the same ground to try and prove that everyone should have exactly the same opinion as you as 'yours is right'.

I think when a thread has run its course as this one obviously has ,some have their opinions and others the opposite and ne'er the twain shall meet.The Mods should say enough and close it before it just becomes another slanging match

thought this thread was about ferres and not how hard it was to win lls and treble

Having a lengthy argument with Smokey is like wrestling a pig in mud. After a while you start to realise the pig is enjoying it.

just to be clear i do believe the LLS should be given extra significance when won as part of a treble and i think it is far harder to win a treble. I just dont think its harder on its own to win the LLS.

Is it reasonable to think GH consulted senior players on how the dressing room would accept him?

If it is then they have clearly shown their support and we have signed a very good player who will add many good qualities to an already talented squad.

If not then there is an element of risk. No matter how good the player if he is shunned it will impact his ability to settle and his form. It could also impact other players form via disrupting morale.

My totally uneducated guess is senior players were involved and are supportive.

Our job as fans is now that he has signed to support him also.

I don't know who you think you are but you cannot just come on here and start talking about the thread subject, we are in the middle of a very important pishing contest about the LLS.

I personally cannot see the signing as a big issue, unless someone in the team is big mates with huby cannot imagine there will be too bothered. Everyone makes mistakes, hopefully he has learned but should be given a chance

Ryan Hall's tweet after the announcement...

"Great news about @BrettFerres11. I've played along side him for England and I'm looking forward to seeing him do it on a weekly basis #mot"

....which is surprising considering Hall is married so really should be living in constant fear now that Ferres will try it on with his wife......much like Cas players must be in fear of having new signing Joel Monaghan anywhere near their pet dogs.

I like the way you included the word 'pet' so as to avoid any confusion.

Hmmm, fair point well made.

Treble next season then yeah whoop whoop

Current players don't usually tweet when we make a new signing but with Ferres both Hall and Hardaker welcomed him to the club via Twitter.

The paranoia about Ferres is ridiculous. I can only imagine what some of you are thinking when your missus' go out! Zak Hardaker should be more of a concern than Brett Ferres. Loose cannon.

I don't think anyone is or has suggested ferres is literally going to run around knobbing all the wives. I'm sure the whole experience has been very painful for his family and something he regrets so stop trying to point score with your snide comments.

The concern is whether in the bubble that is professional sports teams there is any kind of long lasting issue with what ferres has done. We are not talking some office flirting gone wrong or whatever this is something that has had media attention and warranted severe enough to force him (him being an international no less) out of his current club.

As fans, and as with all signings, we have a right to speculate on how the player will fit into the dressing room, just check out the Falloon thread.

"long lasting issue." No, no there isn't. Because the only issue in reality is between the two families. Some comments on here wouldn't look out of place on Jeremy Kyle or Loose Women. Jesus, man up! It's life, s**t happens, move on. And if it doesn't concern you, don't worry about it!!