Aye, finally beating Stains after all this time will really give them some self belief for the end of the season.

I would put them as a far greater threat than HKR and the Giants. They had a bad start to the season, had they not had that they would have been challenging us and Saints very close.

Although I can still see Leeds in the final, I am not so sure with the new structure this year that the certainty of Saints and Leeds is there this year.

They may well prove to be a threat to someone in the play-offs. Can they beat Leeds or Saints at some point? Yes. Can they do it twice in 2 weeks? I doubt it.

Me too, I think Smith has his eye on the cup and is timing their run for that knowing that Leeds and Saints in consecutive weeks is too much to ask at the moment.

smith has got them going. No longer under achieving they are capable of beating anyone on the day. Still missing a player or 2 to be considered real contenders though

Thing is though, with this new structure they might not have to do it twice in 2 weeks.

They are only 3 points from 4th and 4 points from 3rd. If they finish in those positions then the one off game you talked about comes into place. And if they succeed there then they get a week off and an home draw for the next game, which might even be an easier game.

What have they achieved?

Have they beaten Leeds or Saints yet?

Not saying they can't but all they have done so far is go on a good run against average opposition.

I think they are contenders but will be a tasty Final if it is the Top 2 AGAIN.

I dont know about you lot either but these rumours are realy boring now.

Somebody has posted on BBC that myler is going to Wigan now because Warrington have signed Sinfield and Maguire.

First of all surely Warrington would not sign both but only one of the above players.

And secondly why would we let 2 of our best players leave when shortly half the salary would not be capped.

Surely you would know if anything with McGuire? although then again, you did spell his name incorrectly.

Why will this be allowed to happen?

If true it's outside of the salary cap rules that everyone else operates to.

I can remember when McGuire was ready to walk out of Leeds because of Smith. oh the good old days.

I could post on the BBC that my auntie was my uncle. It still wouldn't be true.

When they were getting beaten by said average opposition week in week out you could say they were under achieving because on paper they were better than that.

Now they are beating these teams you could say they are finally achieving what they are capable of.

If they were to start beating the Leeds and Saints in the world then you could say they were over achieving.

You could if you lived anywhere near Cas ....

oooh

nice to see a bit of appreciation/respect going about for the wire, if you read the saints and wigan boards, aparently we've 1 or 2 games(11in 13 i think) and are now getting ideas above our station. Despite the fact we've been playing and winning ugly for this last 6 week or so, something we're happy to do and could never do under cullen.

With Cunningham and Long out, I think they might just fancy their chances. I did hear on Thursday from a Stains fan that he thinks Long has played his last game for them and that Potter will use this to find his replacement ready for next season.

I hope they beat saints because they always play well against them and end up losing by a try or drop goal!

On the basis of tonight's game which I thought was a cracker, it's a good job the playoffs aren't for another good few weeks.
Despite being without Long, Cunningham, Cayless and Gidley, Saints were still good enough to beat the Wolves away.
Credit where it's due, as Phil Clarke said on the commentary they've done this by blooding 5 youngsters who've come through their academy, something we did 6 or so years ago & look where we are now. That is my concern about the current (my perception) lack of real quality in the Reserves & Academy sides currently - particularaly in the forwards.

dont think so mate , ive seen quite a few un18 games this season and it aint the forewards that are letting anybody down , go see for yourself and dont just go of a score line in the paper , go and watch the lack ov quality in the forewards as you would put it , then after youve seen them you can come back and write down what you saw !

Acid test failed but thought it was a good game to watch.

A pity Morley was unavailable but St Helens were hit harder than Warrington and still looked a class apart.

I thought Silverwood had a good game overall and Ganson likewise on the buttons.

Agreed apart from the failure to spot the tackle/assault on Grix and why on earth does Cummings persist in picking Ganson to be involved as an official when Saints are playing?
I cannot believe that there was no other qualified official available to fulfil that role.

Were they really hit harder than Warrington?

I thought Saints were very impresive, especially second half, but they were missing Gidley and Long. As Phil Clarke alluded to, do Saints look a better team with Eastmond instead of Long, Personally I think they do.

Wire were missing Morley, Rahuiha (spelling), Higham, Briers, Hicks, and probably others.

IMO had wire had Morely and Higham in that game, the result might have been different.

It's hard to be 100% sure on that one imo.
In the past saints have gone there with patched up sides and still won oh plus they were also missing cunningham and cayless.
Either way warrington showed that they can be competitive as they do every season and i still put them in the same group as the giants and HKR although the other 2 have managed to beat saints