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| Quote ="lionarmour87"If he is it ain't took em long to spot him.They must have a few scouts over here'"
Im sure i read somewhere recently that with the big success of the likes of the Burgess bros. Graham and Ellis,Aus Clubs were going to be taking a much bigger interest in Forwards from the British game.Wouldnt surprise me if they do have scouts over trying to spot the best young ones before they have to pay to dollar down the line.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"An interesting game all round - lacking in quality but still worth watching. Burrow was my MOM I thought really stood up to be counted and handled the younger players admirably. JJB also had his best game in ages - another senior player who accepted responsibility and seemed to thrive on it.
The younger players didn't let anyone down - Baldwinson looked the real deal no wonder the NRL is calling. Singleton is a throw back, a prop who will run through a brick wall. Sutcliffe showed some neat footwork but is defence needs some work and Minns looked much comfortable in a more central role. Hopefully he will start on Sunday with Moon now suspended. Keinhorst looked very slow last night - it didn't help having Sutcliffe close by in the line but I am far from convinced he is of the requisite standard.
I agree with Gareth re McShane and his stamina, he reminds me of Andy Speak in that respect plenty of skill but question marks about his engine. Moon concerns me, he throws one decent pass in five no wonder Hall is looking out of sorts. Although one in five is better than none when Zac was his centre. Talking of which another strong performance he ran Burrow close for MOM. Good to see Jones-Bishop return.
On the negative Kirke was abject last night, Clarkson not much better and Achurch looks like adding to the list a poor overseas signing - sadly you get what you pay for.'"
David,
Sit down.
I agree with every word you have written.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"An interesting game all round - lacking in quality but still worth watching. Burrow was my MOM I thought really stood up to be counted and handled the younger players admirably. JJB also had his best game in ages - another senior player who accepted responsibility and seemed to thrive on it.
The younger players didn't let anyone down - Baldwinson looked the real deal no wonder the NRL is calling. Singleton is a throw back, a prop who will run through a brick wall. Sutcliffe showed some neat footwork but is defence needs some work and Minns looked much comfortable in a more central role. Hopefully he will start on Sunday with Moon now suspended. Keinhorst looked very slow last night - it didn't help having Sutcliffe close by in the line but I am far from convinced he is of the requisite standard.
I agree with Gareth re McShane and his stamina, he reminds me of Andy Speak in that respect plenty of skill but question marks about his engine. Moon concerns me, he throws one decent pass in five no wonder Hall is looking out of sorts. Although one in five is better than none when Zac was his centre. Talking of which another strong performance he ran Burrow close for MOM. Good to see Jones-Bishop return.
On the negative Kirke was abject last night, Clarkson not much better and Achurch looks like adding to the list a poor overseas signing - sadly you get what you pay for.'"
at last we get an accurate and unbiased post from sal
although you we're a bit economical with the truth and did fail to mention that jjb backed up from england duty on friday night when he made 49 tackles and ran his blood to water,although he did miss a couple of tackles too
keep up your new years resolution sal even if it is june
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| Have to agree with Maximillion regarding defensive errors, maybe a lack of communication and experience playing with the new guys but also what looked like an umbrella style defensive (whilst dropping the winger) was also going to expose the edges and they did this particularly well down our right. Yes Keinhorst looked poor in defence but difficult to say that it was all his fault. Also over heard some guys (possibly friends or family)saying that he has had a stomach bug the past few days and not eaten properly (losing half a stone) which would explain the apparent lack of pace and fitness. Not heard anything about Baldwinson though.
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| Quote ="whambam"Yes Keinhorst looked poor in defence but difficult to say that it was all his fault. Also over heard some guys (possibly friends or family)saying that he has had a stomach bug the past few days and not eaten properly (losing half a stone) which would explain the apparent lack of pace and fitness. '"
That would explain his strangely non-committal performance: usually he's nothing if not tenacious...
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| Quote ="Maximillion"One more question Re Baldwinson - Some say he is heading to the NRL, anyone know more details?'"
You didn't hear it from me, but Dean Bell and the NZ Warriors have taken a VERY keen interest in him. VERY.
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| The other week on yorkshire radio 's rugby show the players agent who represents danny McGuire was pointing out that Aussie clubs are looking at English imports from a young age. Part of the issue is the fairly small wages the under 19s get over here.the removal of the reserve league and dual registration hasn't helped.
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| Quote ="rhinos21"The other week on yorkshire radio 's rugby show the players agent who represents danny McGuire was pointing out that Aussie clubs are looking at English imports from a young age. Part of the issue is the fairly small wages the under 19s get over here.=#FF0000the removal of the reserve league and dual registration hasn't helped.'"
And which clubs chairman was the leader of that proposal?
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| Talking of interviews, McDermott's post-match press conference is worth a look. Interesting insight into his attitude to injured players - unusual as usual. Also suggests Ablett and Kylie could be back for Huddersfield.
Oh, and Kirke's performance last night: "outstanding".
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| Quote ="Fetlar"Talking of interviews, McDermott's post-match press conference is worth a look. Interesting insight into his attitude to injured players - unusual as usual. Also suggests Ablett and Kylie could be back for Huddersfield.
Oh, and Kirke's performance last night: "outstanding".
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Yes I saw this and the good point was that he was not too critical of the younger players regarding some obvious defensive lapses and he was looking to bring that rogether over the next few performances, so hopefully we will see some consistency. Ablett and Kylie back, both certainly for Huddesfield in the pack, Achurch and one other to miss out for me
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| Quote ="DHM"Our coach is not the right man to lead a generational transition at the club.'"
Burnt this man, he's won GFs yer know!!
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"And which clubs chairman was the leader of that proposal?'"
He wasn't the only one it was voted in!!
FWIW i thought it was a bad call then and haven't changed my mind tbh we should at the very least have a open age reserve league as a step up from u19's.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"And which clubs chairman was the leader of that proposal?'"
Will you please start to inform us when does summat good?
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| Just watching the recording. The fault for the first try lies with McShane Singleton and Peacock, three players I had as our better players. As Clarke goes left Kirke follows him and his stepped by Ah Van as he runs the drop off. McShane has been lazy moving right which means hes late on Ah Van. However Peacoxk and Singleton didn't move right at all leaving the gap Mellor hit.
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| The second Widnes try was all about Kirkes sloppy offload in a collision he lost. I am not even sure he was trying an offload. Just got battered one on one in collision
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| Third try was all on Kikrke.. In retrospect I may well have gone easy on the Big Friendly Giant. Bet he keeps his place next week.
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| Quote ="G1"The second Widnes try was all about Kirkes sloppy offload in a collision he lost. I am not even sure he was trying an offload. Just got battered one on one in collision'"
Come on now. I'm no Kirke lover but that was a pass that should never have been given to him. As soon as he caught he he was smashed!
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| Strongly disagree. The pass was fine.
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| Quote ="G1"The second Widnes try was all about Kirkes sloppy offload in a collision he lost. I am not even sure he was trying an offload. Just got battered one on one in collision'"
And some blame lies with Burrow watching the ball go between his legs as well I presume?
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| Don't know why Kirke gets slated so much. He's not going to make the list of best props in the league but he does and job and I agree with McDermott (for a change) that he played well.
He ran it in hard and put some good shots on in defence. He had every right to make the offload or their second try. In the attacking zone with defenders sucked in and Robbie on the loop. In most instances, even if Widnes did get the ball they'd have been tackled.
But every tackle he misses is talked about, every dropped offload. Give the guy a break.
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| Quote ="D4mo78"Don't know why Kirke gets slated so much. He's not going to make the list of best props in the league but he does and job and I agree with McDermott (for a change) that he played well.
He ran it in hard and put some good shots on in defence. He had every right to make the offload or their second try. In the attacking zone with defenders sucked in and Robbie on the loop. In most instances, even if Widnes did get the ball they'd have been tackled.
But every tackle he misses is talked about, every dropped offload. Give the guy a break.'"
I've isolated the first three tries and exonerated him for blame for the first but explained why he was squarely to blame for the next two. Care to elaborate why I am wrong?
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| Quote ="Sam Buca II"And some blame lies with Burrow watching the ball go between his legs as well I presume?'"
You presume wrongly, because that is not what happened.
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| Quote ="G1"I've isolated the first three tries and exonerated him for blame for the first but explained why he was squarely to blame for the next two. Care to elaborate why I am wrong?'"
Your not wrong.
I am not a Kirke basher, but you would have to have been asleep or seriously insane to say that kirke had even an half decent game on Monday. He was utter garbage.
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| Was just looking at Baldwinson's stats. 73m from 5 drives! That's pretty good for a debut.
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| Quote ="G1"You presume wrongly, because that is not what happened.'"
Sorry, he made a grab at it but didn't react in time.
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