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| Quote ="KaeruJim"Thing with Frawley is that he does have Jack Sinfield breathing down his neck.'"
Which part(s) of Jack's game do you think might see him selected ahead of Frawley?
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| Quote ="Jrrhino"Having watched the game back on sky, I think we defended quite well all be it, Catalans at times made some poor errors and poor decisions. Like I've said last few weeks I think we'll see our attack click when the weather conditions improve and we continue to play a free style of rugby. Croft is impressing me more and more each week coming up with some big plays for our tries. Ruan needs to be getting more game time he defiantly adds something to our pack whether it's in back row or at prop, i don't think we need to or can afford to carry both Bentley, Martin & Mcdonnell all in 17 when and if we have majority/ all of our pack to choose from all play too similar and are all leaner modern day backrowers. Great money ball from Cam Smith who is doing a fine job of leading the team as captain in 2024, Ash Handley just seems to score and finish off outstanding tries for us this season so long may that continue. I think most of us on this forum would take 2 out of 3 wins to start there season let the season fully start before we right the team of eh.'"
Agree re your point about second rows. For me Martin starts, but I'd let Bentley & McDonnell battle it out for the other slot. Ruan (if he can do it consistently) offers us size, athleticism and a bit of skill off the bench. I think Rohan should be brave and stop picking middleweight middles.
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| Overall a good win, not a flashy display but its not surprising with the lack of field position we had. Defence was great again, team really seems to be working for each other.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Which part(s) of Jack's game do you think might see him selected ahead of Frawley?'"
I think Jack is a better runner at times, he can be quite dangerous in good ball and is smart at finding a gap. He is a goal kicker too unsurprisingly.
Frawley much stronger at this time in D and in organisation though.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"Agree re your point about second rows. For me Martin starts, but I'd let Bentley & McDonnell battle it out for the other slot. Ruan (if he can do it consistently) offers us size, athleticism and a bit of skill off the bench. I think Rohan should be brave and stop picking middleweight middles.'"
I’m quite liking Ruan as a bench player at present. I always think on the bench you should have players the opposition don’t want to see come on when they are fatigued.
For me personally McDonnell should be the starting 11 on the team, and the real selection is between O’Connor and Bentley as the hoover player. Ackers can play 80 and arguably should.
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| Crazy how much hype Ruan is getting. Couple of nice touches on Saturday but people are acting like he came on and changed the game.
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| I think although our defence in stopping tries and breaks has been good, it is very passive, meaning we start most sets from deep and struggle to get out of our own halves. I know it won't happen under Rohan but I'd rather get in there faces more, so we are starting sets on our 20-30m line, not our try line.
I get the argument both ways with Frawley. He seems to be control things without errors or missed tackles. I would have hoped his kicking would be better, but accept it is difficult when most kicks are coming within your own 30-40m line. Hopefully, with better field position, his kicking will be better.
Croft, Handley, Ackers, Smith and Newman no complaints. Robert's solid but not spectacular.
Momorovski has so far been solid but quiet. I'm hoping he will get more involved and offer more as the matches go on and the pitch dries. I would like him to take more out of yard carries, as he looks like a big and difficult person to put down.
Miller, you can see on his day might be untouchable but likewise, he looks to have errors in him and not convinced he is the best defensively.
Bentley, I have prior mentioned that I do not rate. I would prefer Ruan, as he seems better in yardage and more difficult to put down.
Rhyse has been solid but not at his best for mine. Would like to see him do better in yardage and run some better lines. McDonnell I like as he is an aggressive defender and makes good metres from running good lines.
Prop wise, difficult to tell as they are never all available at once. Sangare needs to be tougher and make less errors. Holroyd needs to stay fit and we need Oledski back and in form. Lisone needs a good stretch of games too.
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| I think should the RL gods look down on us and bless us with Mik, Holroyd Lisone and Sangare being available in one game we look scary. I was one to slate the Frawley signing but I think he's doing the graft Sezer didn't, looks comfortable in D and agree his kicking will come with better field position. Croft is really starting to shine, didn't quite expect his defensive efforts to be so good, and he's certainly growing into the shirt. Ackers is outstanding and I think we need him on for 80, he can do it and he just offers so much more dynamism, plus he's a solid tackler. I think the player I've been most impressed by is Goudamond though, he's so solid and gets through plenty of tackles, doesn't make the metres but will happily take the ball in if our halves need more time to organise, green shoots are showing!!
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| Last try; Great pass to Handley - too high to intercept by a hands breadth. Dummy and a short pass and Sangare is under the sticks tho.
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| Quote ="Danibo160"I think should the RL gods look down on us and bless us with Mik, Holroyd Lisone and Sangare being available in one game we look scary. I was one to slate the Frawley signing but I think he's doing the graft Sezer didn't, looks comfortable in D and agree his kicking will come with better field position. Croft is really starting to shine, didn't quite expect his defensive efforts to be so good, and he's certainly growing into the shirt. Ackers is outstanding and I think we need him on for 80, he can do it and he just offers so much more dynamism, plus he's a solid tackler. I think the player I've been most impressed by is Goudamond though, he's so solid and gets through plenty of tackles, doesn't make the metres but will happily take the ball in if our halves need more time to organise, green shoots are showing!!'"
Goudemand made 90metres on Saturday he put in a decent shift
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| Quote ="simonw"Aside from the dropped kick off I thought Miller went ok on Saturday but maybe it's just me - when we signed him I kept reading about how fast he was, how he was going to light up SL etc. I haven't really seen that from him. Been going ok but doesn't strike me as being all that fast really. Guess we'll find out when he makes a break but I've not seen much evidence that pace is a huge part of his game'"
Perhaps thats because the pace of the players in Super League is not that different to the NRL.
...or maybe so far the ground has been too heavy to run that fast.
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| Bentley banned for one. Sangare fine to play.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"Bentley banned for one. Sangare fine to play.'"
About right that.
Were covered at second row so not much of a miss
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"Bentley banned for one. Sangare fine to play.'"
Good results
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| Quote ="christopher"Goudemand made 90metres on Saturday he put in a decent shift'"
Wow didnt know it was that high,that's cracking! Really happy with his signing
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| Quote ="christopher"Think your being overly harsh TBH
Momorosvki is a very ‘smart’ RL player, he’s not a flashy player but will make the correct decisions more than not, he’s a proper wingers centre and defensively very strong he will be s great signing.
Frawley is doing his job and will let croft do his thing. Against Cats we had pretty much zero field position so was constantly kicking from deep.'"
I’ve just had a look at the YEP’s correspondent player scores for the Dragons game, and I think he’s spot on.
He scores Croft 9, Handley 9 and Cam Smith 9 at the top end, and Frawley 6 and Mom 6 at the bottom end. I’m not saying he’s spot on because he agrees with me in contrast to you, because his opinion is like both yours and mine, just an opinion. What I will say is I wouldn’t score either Frawley or Mom higher than a 6 in any of the three games they’ve currently played. As for Frawley, poor penalty kicks to touch can happen, kicking out on the full can happen, but when these things happen in the same game that you’re kicking straight into the oppositions hands time after time it’s got to be classed as a poor kicking game. If it doesn’t get better than Saturday that kicking game will cost us. As for Mom, he seemed happy for Handley to make most of the hard carries when we were under the pump in that first half. I’d like to see him more involved in that respect. Like I say, he’s been fairly anonymous to me up to press. I hope he turns out to be a good signing, but his reputation means absolutely nothing until he does it in the blue and amber.
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| Quote ="leeds owl"I’ve just had a look at the YEP’s correspondent player scores for the Dragons game, and I think he’s spot on.
He scores Croft 9, Handley 9 and Cam Smith 9 at the top end, and Frawley 6 and Mom 6 at the bottom end. I’m not saying he’s spot on because he agrees with me in contrast to you, because his opinion is like both yours and mine, just an opinion. What I will say is I wouldn’t score either Frawley or Mom higher than a 6 in any of the three games they’ve currently played. As for Frawley, poor penalty kicks to touch can happen, kicking out on the full can happen, but when these things happen in the same game that you’re kicking straight into the oppositions hands time after time it’s got to be classed as a poor kicking game. If it doesn’t get better than Saturday that kicking game will cost us. As for Mom, he seemed happy for Handley to make most of the hard carries when we were under the pump in that first half. I’d like to see him more involved in that respect. Like I say, he’s been fairly anonymous to me up to press. I hope he turns out to be a good signing, but his reputation means absolutely nothing until he does it in the blue and amber.'"
I can see where you're coming from here, time will tell.
Frawley I reckon will look better when we're in good ball putting attacking kicks on, rather than long clearance kicks because we've failed to gain any field position down the middle. I quite like that he's a reasonably big body, and he does take the line on at times - I think he'll make some breaks when the grounds are drier.
Mom I think is a quality player, but he's not player regularly for a while with a shoulder injury, not had the most consistent pre-season and is playing his first season here in winter conditions. I think in his case we'll start to see a different player once he's settled and the tracks are better. He should have some gas if he gets clear too. End of the day if he's contributing to Ash having a wow of a season I'll take it!
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| It’s not uncommon for Aissie imports (especially ones with a long layoff like MOM) to take a bit if time to bed in.
He made 83 metres and took 14 Carries, it’s not like he was shirking work.
Fwiw i think 6 is probably a fair score
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| Quote ="christopher"It’s not uncommon for Aissie imports (especially ones with a long layoff like MOM) to take a bit if time to bed in.
He made 83 metres and took 14 Carries, it’s not like he was shirking work.
Fwiw i think 6 is probably a fair score'"
I thought Mom carried noticeably more against Cats.
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"I thought Mom carried noticeably more against Cats.'"
What MOM is also doing is defending well, he’s basically covering that side eg Ash didn’t make one tackle on Saturday mom made 17.
This keeps Ash fresher
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| Yes, should have said with Mom that although he hasn't done much as yet. He seemed to do more against Cats and is probably slowly increasing his workload week by week.
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| Quote ="christopher"What MOM is also doing is defending well, he’s basically covering that side eg Ash didn’t make one tackle on Saturday mom made 17.
This keeps Ash fresher'"
Keeps him on his wing too. None of that dashing infield rubbish.
In defence I mean
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Keeps him on his wing too. None of that dashing infield rubbish.
In defence I mean'"
I’ve noticed they often switch positions when were attacking, Ash then stays on the wing when defending
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| To give Mom 6/10 shows that some people just don't see what some players do.
His workrate, positioning and contact in defence was very good, but this doesn't necessarily catch the eye.
He's also getting judged on reputation as well.
A previous defensive weakness area for us has very much improved.
Regardless of the scores YEP give him, I'm pleased with what I've seen so far.
And as has been said, he will get better.
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| What I’m seeing is an athletic player with good skill and positioning. He can put a shot on in D too.
I’m sure when the grounds get better we’ll see more from him in attack. I think he’ll put Ash away for a few more this year, that is a very dangerous edge now.
Generally we’ve got about what we expected in the new players; and we are a better side than last year as a result.
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