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| Quote ="Clearwing"Nigel Wood - how the fu(((k he manages to hang onto his job is beyond me.'"
Elephant in the room...... It's cos he is a real poon hound and ticks the right boxes.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"That isn't true at all though is it? Which makes the two questions quite irrelevant.
We have 6 appointed fulltime officials, which is wrong to start with. Had we not been in that position, and Child was still reffing then it only makes the situation worse.
We have 9 other regular refs who back up Super League, and three of those consistently put in better performances than Child. Why are they not promoted when they do this consistently?
Of the six we have in Super League full time, Child is continually voted the worst. At Magic Weekend, Hicks and Cobb, were by far and away the best referee performances of the weekend. In view of Roby leaving, Cobb was moved up. Hicks (who I must admit myself have never had time for), since Magic Weekend, has consistently produced very good performances, and in contrast to Child is on a different planet. How many big games does Hicks get again? (and I am not talking finals, I am talking Super League big games)
Is anyone saying the Super League refs are assessed at the end of each year and decided upon who stays based on performance? If not and this doesn't happen, why not? In any job, if you consistently do not meet the expectations of you, then it is dealt with. Why, after six years is Child not dealt with?
Saying he is one of our best six refs is just nonsense, that is easy to argue against. Saying he is one of on six full time officials would be correct, and then we are back to the arguments of this thread, why is he still one of those six fulltime?'"
Come on Gotcha. You're not that daft. You know full well the RFL employee 6 full time refs. The rest are part time. Quite obviously the full time refs are going to generally ref the SL games.
So he is one of 6 refs who are going to ref SL games. That situation applies to all of the full time refs, not just James Child.
So stop deliberately trying to twist the argument away from your and Printers allegations that James Child only gets big games because he's gay.
Although now you've extended it to he's only a full time ref because he's gay.
Any evidence for this yet? Or your previous allegation?
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| Quote ="Him"Come on Gotcha. You're not that daft. You know full well the RFL employee 6 full time refs. The rest are part time. Quite obviously the full time refs are going to generally ref the SL games.
So he is one of 6 refs who are going to ref SL games. That situation applies to all of the full time refs, not just James Child.
So stop deliberately trying to twist the argument away from your and Printers allegations that James Child only gets big games because he's gay.
Although now you've extended it to he's only a full time ref because he's gay.
Any evidence for this yet? Or your previous allegation?'"
I think if you go back, and look at every one of my posts, they have said the same thing. I have said nothing about big games based on Child. I have continually said he is consistently incompetent, far too many matches per year. The worst of the refs in Super League. Why is he still a full time ref? that is what I have said throughout this thread.
Your argument is that there is only six full time refs. But there is still another six behind that waiting for the opportunity. After six years of consistent incompetence when does it change for Child?
You would have a very valid point if Child had only gone bad this year, and it is reviewed at end of the season. But that isn't the case is it? So what do these other six refs have to do for them to replace Child, considering Child's performance in his role? Because lets be honest here, despite the rantings, nobody has come on and said Child deserves to be a Super League ref. So how does he keep that role?
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Are you trying to say that a referee should be judged on one performance? you know something you are saying completely the opposite on throughout this thread.
I see also making your wild statements again regarding an "alledged" incident that you are now judge and jury on. Yet you are having a go at people on this thread for having an opinion.
Like I said yesterday, there really is no bigger Bigot than you on this board.
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Are you trying to say that a referee should be judged on one performance? you know something you are saying completely the opposite on throughout this thread.
I see also making your wild statements again regarding an "alledged" incident that you are now judge and jury on. Yet you are having a go at people on this thread for having an opinion.
Like I said yesterday, there really is no bigger Bigot than you on this board.
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| Just to point out that Child isn't full time. He works full time for Leeds City Council as a surveyor IIRC.
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And at the same time noticed this on the RFL website.
Equality – is the state of being equal – treating individuals equally, which does not necessarily mean treating them the same. In some cases the need for equality may require unequal effort to ensure the principle of equality is achieved.
And then there is the Positive Action part of that post. I won't repeat.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Are you trying to say that a referee should be judged on one performance? you know something you are saying completely the opposite on throughout this thread.
I see also making your wild statements again regarding an "alledged" incident that you are now judge and jury on. Yet you are having a go at people on this thread for having an opinion.
Like I said yesterday, there really is no bigger Bigot than you on this board.'"
I'm trying to point out that there are far more reasonable reasons why those referees are not promoted ahead of Child besides what he does with his willy.
For instance one of them is suspended pending a pretty serious charge.
For instance one of them has been severely criticised in performance in the few games he has reffed at SL level.
For instance most of them are relatively young and inexperienced and their development would be harmed by promoting them too early.
All of those are reasonable, rational and logical conclusion. And not one of the have anything to do with the referees sexuality.
But those aren't your conclusions are they. In you addled mind, it is less outlandish to state that James Child is still an SL referee because he is gay than it is to say James Child is still an SL referee because he is one of very few that we have even with SL experience.
If standing up to monsters like you anonymously demeaning and denigrating a man doing a difficult and thankless job, and using his sexuality to do so makes me a bigot. Sign me up. Give me that badge. I'll wear it with pride.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"I'm trying to point out that there are far more reasonable reasons why those referees are not promoted ahead of Child besides what he does with his willy.
For instance one of them is suspended pending a pretty serious charge.
For instance one of them has been severely criticised in performance in the few games he has reffed at SL level.
For instance most of them are relatively young and inexperienced and their development would be harmed by promoting them too early.
All of those are reasonable, rational and logical conclusion. And not one of the have anything to do with the referees sexuality.
But those aren't your conclusions are they. In you addled mind, it is less outlandish to state that James Child is still an SL referee because he is gay than it is to say James Child is still an SL referee because he is one of very few that we have even with SL experience.
If standing up to monsters like you anonymously demeaning and denigrating a man doing a difficult and thankless job, and using his sexuality to do so makes me a bigot. Sign me up. Give me that badge. I'll wear it with pride.'"
You haven't pointed out anything. Throughout this thread all you have done is shout your mouth off of inaccuracies.
For instance, the lad who is suspended for an "alledged" offence was done two weeks ago. It isn't only the last two weeks Child has been cr@p.
You point out one match where a losing coach criticized him, and see that as some form of defence. Yet you ignore six years of Child incompetence, many moans from coaches, and many moans from fans.
Like I said previously, unless you are posting something form the pages of a textbook, you are unable to put an argument together. You are just a blinkered bigot without foundation.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Just to point out that Child isn't full time. He works full time for Leeds City Council as a surveyor IIRC.'"
Most do have another job. Rob hicks is a solicitor in think. There are three referee lists. Full time and cadet do SL with full time doing more. Whilst part time ones do part time games.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"You haven't pointed out anything. Throughout this thread all you have done is shout your mouth off of inaccuracies.
For instance, the lad who is suspended for an "alledged" offence was done two weeks ago. It isn't only the last two weeks Child has been cr@p.
You point out one match where a losing coach criticized him, and see that as some form of defence. Yet you ignore six years of Child incompetence, many moans from coaches, and many moans from fans.
Like I said previously, unless you are posting something form the pages of a textbook, you are unable to put an argument together. You are just a blinkered bigot without foundation.'"
You think you are convincing anyone with that asshattery?
You have shown your true colours and they aren't too pretty.
Thankfully whilst your idiocy abounds it is impotent. James Child will continue to referee, largely excluded from the thought of dinosaurs and homophobes. You can continue screaming in the wind at the unfairness of equality and imaginary scourge of gay referees and we can all sit smug and safe in the knowledge that James Child has achieved far more in the game you love than you and all your impotent anger can ever hope to.
I'm happy to let you think you won the battle. Youre like Japanese soldier in the forests of the Pacific not realising the war was lost decades ago.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You think you are convincing anyone with that asshattery?
You have shown your true colours and they aren't too pretty.
Thankfully whilst your idiocy abounds it is impotent. James Child will continue to referee, largely excluded from the thought of dinosaurs and homophobes. You can continue screaming in the wind at the unfairness of equality and imaginary scourge of gay referees and we can all sit smug and safe in the knowledge that James Child has achieved far more in the game you love than you and all your impotent anger can ever hope to.
I'm happy to let you think you won the battle. Youre like Japanese soldier in the forests of the Pacific not realising the war was lost decades ago.'"
I did win the battle with you. You were not very much competition. That's the difference between real world and text book repeating. When someone believes in something they usually manage to represent it very well, but for people like you it is just a shout to arms rather than something you believe in, so you struggle to understand properly.
I however am still trying to highlight to the majority on here who have much more sense than you portray, and can actually give some reasoning for their arguments against what is being discussed. On that basis, I can respect their opinion but still try to show the point.
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| Quote ="Superted":e3s9dr65I work for a fantastic and diverse company - it's a great place to work, one of the 'top 20 companies to work for' actually....
I've not actually said I think the RFL are in this case, what I have said is that it's not homophobic for someone to put the question out there.... Child is terrible, he's still getting not only Super League games, but too often the best games of the round - and don't forget he's now doing games from the new Super 8 - so he must by those rights be in the top four refs we have if the games are chosen based on ability...? I don't think it's unreasonable or homophobic or discriminatory for someone to question why Child would get the better games when he is consistently poor, and certainly not in the top four refs... Positive discrimination exists out there, these circumstances wouldn't be completely out of the realms of possibility on that front, so it's a fair discussion point for me... Not being able to discuss the potential situation without being labelled a homophobe is ridiculous and very narrow minded....'"
Are the head offices based on Skipton or Leeds??
That would really help me narrow it down!
Thanks
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I did win the battle with you. You were not very much competition. That's the difference between real world and text book repeating. When someone believes in something they usually manage to represent it very well, but for people like you it is just a shout to arms rather than something you believe in, so you struggle to understand properly.
I however am still trying to highlight to the majority on here who have much more sense than you portray, and can actually give some reasoning for their arguments against what is being discussed. On that basis, I can respect their opinion but still try to show the point.'"
This what you are known for on these boards. Your well thought out and elucidated opinions.
Have your win. Make yourself a little badge. James Child will be walking out on a Super League pitch this weekend. You. Well. Let's hope you stumble across a village who can give you the news gently. The Emperor. He is dead.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Have your win. Make yourself a little badge. James Child will be walking out on a Super League pitch this weekend. You. Well. Let's hope you stumble across a village who can give you the news gently. The Emperor. He is dead.'"
I am just looking for some textbook quotes to put on my badge. You know the same books you form all your opinions off.
You maybe should take a walk through a nice village, it might open your mind to the real world, rather than that fantasy you seem stuck in.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I am just looking for some textbook quotes to put on my badge. You know the same books you form all your opinions off.
You maybe should take a walk through a nice village, it might open your mind to the real world, rather than that fantasy you seem stuck in.'"
Your real world being the one where reasonable people proudly lob unevidenced accusations to demean and denigrate people using their sexuality to do so of course.
Its still nice to remember that despite your irrelevant anger, demeaning and bigoted statements, and incoherent ranting. James Child will walk out on an SL pitch and take part in an SL game this weekend. Confident and knowing just how impotent you are.
Enjoy your rugby league, James Child will.
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No wonder RL never reaches beyond its heartland.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Your real world being the one where reasonable people proudly lob unevidenced accusations to demean and denigrate people using their sexuality to do so of course.
Its still nice to remember that despite your irrelevant anger, demeaning and bigoted statements, and incoherent ranting. James Child will walk out on an SL pitch and take part in an SL game this weekend. Confident and knowing just how impotent you are.
Enjoy your rugby league, James Child will.'"
Far from any anger from me, I just sit here smug, laughing at your pathetic attempt to make yourself the hero of the British people. I believe you are the only person on this thread demonstrating anger and incoherent ranting, even pointed out by posters trying to help you. That is what usually happens where people stick to text book ramblings rather than post their true thoughts, which are much easier to get across.
Good luck to James Child and his reffing this week, even if this weekends appointments do further prove the point raised, after yet another poor showing. However, if the RFL can just ramp up that unequal effort in order to achieve equality, that they so proudly claim, and somehow get Mr Child to a level of the other refs he is working with, then I truely do wish him all the best, and hope it can be achieved.
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| Getting bored of this - starting to go round in circles. Child gets games because there is such a dearth of alternatives there is little alternative choice. If there were 10 full time SL refs, he would likely ref less. There isn't however, so he doesn't. See also 'Silverwood' and 'Bentham' for similar answers on why they still get games.
Does Bentham get games as he is bald? Does Silverwood get them because he is from Cas-way (so I understand)?
Or, (just maybe) do they get the games because although naff, there is isn't really anyone else to do it instead right now?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Far from any anger from me, I just sit here smug, laughing at your pathetic attempt to make yourself the hero of the British people. I believe you are the only person on this thread demonstrating anger and incoherent ranting, even pointed out by posters trying to help you. That is what usually happens where people stick to text book ramblings rather than post their true thoughts, which are much easier to get across.
Good luck to James Child and his reffing this week, even if this weekends appointments do further prove the point raised, after yet another poor showing. However, if the RFL can just ramp up that unequal effort in order to achieve equality, that they so proudly claim, and somehow get Mr Child to a level of the other refs he is working with, then I truely do wish him all the best, and hope it can be achieved.'" bigots often do need to set up their own circular arguments to feel confident in their ignorance.
Its good that you have set yours out early.
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| Quote ="Jamie101"Getting bored of this - starting to go round in circles. Child gets games because there is such a dearth of alternatives there is little alternative choice. If there were 10 full time SL refs, he would likely ref less. There isn't however, so he doesn't. See also 'Silverwood' and 'Bentham' for similar answers on why they still get games.
Does Bentham get games as he is bald? Does Silverwood get them because he is from Cas-way (so I understand)?
Or, (just maybe) do they get the games because although naff, there is isn't really anyone else to do it instead right now?'"
This. And they've been poorly trained, supported and developed on their way up to SL level.
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| Quote ="Him"This. And they've been poorly trained, supported and developed on their way up to SL level.'"
and very few people ever start up on the journey because worst case scenario you will be occasionally threatened by meatheads despite giving up your own time for them, best case scenario you're demeaned by morons anonymously on message boards for not a lot of money.
People will literally spend hours of their lives looking for evidence that not only are you at the job they wouldnt do, but you are only given that job as a sop to equality.
The vitriol and opprobrium levelled at them, and the lengths people will go to to try and do them down is worrying these are people with houses and jobs and kids. Why anyone would choose to be treated like that by people who profess to love the game is beyond me.
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