if we are getting rid of agar for having no ideas why would you put him above a person with ideas giving him kev's job creation role

Whilst Agar has done well he's also shown he isn't the man to take us to the nrxt level imo.
Some of his selections & more importantly in game Squad Management have proved to be at best bizarre & at worst clueless.
The fact we chased Flannaghan shows the Club feel the same way , however as a DOR he'd be ideal.
Our next Coach has to be in the mould as a Tony Smith in that he'll be strong enough to drop & mive on has beens & never will bes & replace them with the best Youngsters but still have the nous to gel a quality Team together.
The Squad is still carrying too many passengers on & off the field.
The crisis unfolding at the EELS gives me hope we could offer Brad Arthur the job or alternatively the Walker Bros Justin Morgan etc.
I wouldnt mind keeping Long but also adding Danny Ward to the Assistent role. The conditiining Team needs dismantling & rebuilding & i also think Chev Walker & Jjb should be replaced.

Impression I get is that the club's thinking mirrors that of many fans - Agar goes to DoR once a genuine upgrade can be recruited. Might even happen before next season.
Long should be given a year where he can work with fit halves. Beyond that it might make sense to bring fresh ideas.
JJB... I don't know enough to make my mind up. On one hand we've defended with determination and grit. At the same time we've often lacked organisation and coordination. Really the question we should ask is whether each of the three is the best we can afford and attract in their respective roles

Yep it’s hard to judge Long with the abject lack of quality he’s had to work with this year.

Having said that our skill levels at times have not been minimum standard even in my eyes.

JJB is brill motivationally. You look at Paul Wellens at Saints and I think he is real quality though. I don’t know enough - or Chev. There will be.a full review now.

I'm not anti Agar.
He's done an excellent job taking us from relegation battle to a CC win and challenging for 4th & 5th.
But last night showed the next level.
Saints looked so much better organised and disciplined - two things we have lacked badly this year.
Not saying that's totally Agar's fault, but he decides what they work on all week.
He may well have reached his maximum level as a coach.
Agree he would make a great DOR as he has many connections.
Bring in a decent upcoming Aussie coach (like Woolf!!).
But can't see that happening for next season.

I actually don’t think Agar will stay beyond the point he still thinks he can do a job.

Coaching these days is a team effort, it’s not just one bloke. Plus even last night we had half a fit team, one busted recognised half and a hooker who can’t pass.

We might all be able to recognise those failings but who else would we select?

In the circumstances I stand and applaud Agar for what he has done for playing culture, the team and the club. He has a new team working alongside him who need time to fully influence the players post Covid.. This is not the time for change. We need a few years to continue our rebuilding and development of the youth. When we get to the Grand final and bring the trophy home………….. that will be the time to change the Head Coach and let Agar steer the ship as DR. We must not make knee jerk reactions simply because of last nights result.

Yeh some bizarre in game decisions.
Why did Holroyd not come on until 65 mins last night when our pack were getting rolled.
Why did King not come on the other week when Tet and Prior were stood hands on knees, out on their feet.
Forward rotation is critical. Look how Saints used Walmsley last night.

What qualities does Agar have for the DOR role?
I`m not saying he wouldn`t be any good just curious.
Let`s face it with our squad for next year and the quality of teams in the SL Saints top with Cats and Wire up there.
Most coaches would get us a top 4 finish.

I think it’s difficult to judge the coaching setup on this year, haven’t we had 16+ different half back combinations throughout the year?

We may see Longs influence a lot more next year with the signings weve made

I expect the team to improve significantly with the signings we've made, and with the assumptions that a) we get the likes of Gale, Walker and Sutcliffe (etc) back from injury unscathed and b) we avoid the freak injury-crisis at the start of this season that saw virtually every player in a back or half-back position injured at once. That's all with Agar here.

Big question over whether players like Oledski, Walker, Broadbent, Newman, Johnson, Sutcliffe, Leeming etc need fresh impetus in the coaching department for them to fulfil their potential. My feeling is they probably do, especially if we want to be serious GF contenders. But as others have said, it has to be the right coach, not just whoever is available from the NRL, or whoever is available on the cheap...

Fans tend to like easy solutions to problems, e.g.) new coach.
Don’t seem to learn that This can be disastrous too....!

It’s very usual to need a change of voice / new ideas every few years in elite sport. We may approach that point over the next 12 months but it’s not an Agar-specific problem.

I suspect we are keeping an open mind and an eye on potential candidates on an ongoing basis, but it has to be the right appointment.

Read an interview with Agar yesterday where he was talking about St Helens high levels of consistency over the years. He mentioned that they typically change coach every four years or so. I did wonder if a four tenure (next will be his 4th) was his own plan. Maybe we will have a new coach in place for 2023.

I honestly think he’ll step aside if the right coach becomes available, but Agar is a decent coach with a decent team behind him already.

One more year though would see him, maybe, with a more mature and capable team to play with.

Been thinking about this myself and personally I’m happy with what Agar has done at the club. He’s took us to challenge cup final win and then the season after a semi final for OT.

I think that we will see him move up to a different job in maybe a year or two. At that point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Danny McGuire comes back.

FFS no!
We've given enough old boys a job.
We need some fresh ideas not tales from the golden generation.

You have to wonder if the real reason Brodie cant get clients to attend is actually the rugby tho dont you?

That’s the spirit!

We need a new coach because Leeds have been inconsistent under him.

Agar inherited a squad of de- motivated players of very average ability. We note have a fully motivated squad, that lacks quality in key positions. If we can pray Walker stays fit next year, somehow fix our atrocious dummy half distribution then no reason Agar can’t go and win something next year.....

We will not win anything with one out drives , we lack a Walmsley , a class centre and a winger plus a coach that can coach

You realise we have already won something with Agar in charge

Looking back, having instilled a better culture, Agar won over a lot of fans with a masterclass of wet weather rugby that dumped Wigan from a cup semi. I'm beginning to wonder whether there's much difference between that and his take on a masterclass of dry weather rugby.