Having a solvent business is the end goal - surely?

I agree about the golden era - but that was built on the back of huge investment in playing/coaching on the back of sponsors/supporters revenues. It is no shock that as crowds/sponsorship have dropped off so has the quality of the squad, the coaching and the investment in youth development.

Off course having a solvent business is the end goal of a professional sports club, we were talking about the end goal of the players and coaching staff (your original standards line)

Your line of discussion now doesn't seem to bear any relation to the comment of yours I originally quoted, which was you basically stating that the players and coaches didn't have standards because they lost a few Challenge cup finals and won a few grand finals without playing at their best every week, which I still think is utter nonsense.

My original point hasn't changed - elite professional players should be able to perform the basics to a good standard week in week out. The expansion of the discussion is about the consequences good/bad of the inability to do that.

Its quite simple really what some fans want. If the club can stick to the following guidelines everyone will be happy -

Win every game by a massive score including nilling the opposition
Play every game with a Grand Final intensity
Sack the coach and board members after every single loss
Have a team full of kids whilst signing every world class player available
Bring home a minimum of 4 trophies a season
Oh and the style of rugby must be similar to the Hatlem Globetrotters

Failure to achieve any of the above should be seen as an unsuccessful season and good reason for a full fan revolt on social media.

Easy really.

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All fans want is team that plays to its potential, is well coached, well invested - winning trophies is by product of all those things. Would you say over the last 3 years any of the above have been delivered?

To answer your points:
Winning - not the be all and end all if it were there wouldn't have the fans there - most teams lose more than they win.
Players only have to play with intensity 30 times a year is that really that much to ask?
There is a time for reflection that says this isn't working - definition of insanity - ask Wakefield fans?
The team needs a balance - when was the last time Leeds signed a world class overseas player? When did Leeds last develop a SL standard half back?
Only 3 trophies to win each year - is the 4th the festive challenge?
Fans want to be entertained - isn't that what rugby is entertainment - its nothing more than that.

Over the last 3 years, no probably not, however you were clearly trying to say that they weren't even when winning trophies

No I never said that - what I said was whilst the golden generation were a great team - along with the great Saints side 2006 - the best in the SL era there were many games when they didn't come close to their potential. As a spectator you don't get a discount when the team simply doesn't show up. So you might well get value for money when they win a final but that is offset by 6/7 games when the team is well below par.

11 and 12 were particularly odd , some games in 07 and 06 terrible especially the semi final. with the golden generation the sums were greater than the parts . Most of the original generation lasted a few years , walker and calderwood to union, diskin and mathers to injury , ward combusted , , bailey and jjb possibly regressed to squad .. Around the half back trio what we did do well was add the best available , webb , briscoe, jp, elliss , buderous , some turned out better than expected kylie, donald , delaney but the decade ended and began with freakish off loaders ali and cuthbo .. The worst thing has been ending up in relegation battles which while hard to criticize gh does appear some laurels were rested . Sts and wigan have consistently been top 3 but warrington haven't bought a league title and neither did we in the 80s and 90s ,,, we may yet finish outside the top 4 but this year we are looking a better attacking side again though we could have lost myler and leeming would have been out for most of te normal season , still not sure how much agar is a stop gap

Walker, Briscoe, Hurrell, Handley, Lui, Gale, Seumanufagai, Leeming, Prior, Mellor, Martin, Dwyer, Sutcliffe, Myler, Cuthbertson, Oledzki, Smith, Briscoe, Donaldson, Sutcliffe, Holroyd.

With Walker, A Sutcliffe, Briscoe and Cuthbertson / Holroyd to drop out.

Walker
Briscoe Sutcliffe Hurrell Handley
Lui Gale
Seumanufagai Leeming Prior
Mellor Martin
Smith

Dwyer Oledzki Donaldson Holroyd / Cuthbertson

No Myler?

He meant Myler instead of Walker at FB.

Its a big game for Smith to come back for so i would think he'll miss out.Prior to 13 Oledzki to start .

So as I expected, minus Cameron Smith, with Mclelland in.

Club amended and Cameron is in.

You are correct, my mistake

From the 21 we've named I'd go with

Myler
T.Briscoe
L.Sutcliffe
Hurrell
Handley
Lui
Gale
Seumanufagai
Leeming
Oldezki
Mellor
Martin
Prior

Subs
Dwyer
Cuthbertson
Donaldson
Holroyd

I'd like Walker and Smith in our 17 but think it'll be too soon to throw them both in a semi final. Walker only played half a game and didn't pull up too well I believe after last night's game and I doubt Cam Smith's jaw has fully recovered to be involved in matches yet.

Reckon it will be that 17 with exception of Smith in for Cuthbertson. Cuthbo did too much graft last night to play on Saturday.

Cuthbertson will play,, otherwise that bench looks too light.

Looking like proper Grand Final weather tomorrow, normally I'd say have a safe trip over the top but these days stay safe on the couch seems more appropriate.

You and JR may be right, I’m not sure what the benefit of long minutes are for him 3 days before playing a tough team.

Massive test today for this group of players, Im not anticipating a win to be honest but Id like it to be close and for us to make a good fist of it, weve had a tirrid few years and to see them have a real dig in tough conditions is all i ask.

Myler
Handley Hurrell Sutcliffe T Briscoe
Lui Gale
Seumanufagai Leeming Oledzki
Martin Mellor
Prior

Dwyer Smith Donaldson Holroyd

Yeah misses out, I hope Smith is able to get up to speed after his lay off as the bench rotation is going to be really important, everyone needs to contribute.

Agreed. They have 2 relatively small bench men as well. As you say hope Smith can get to the pace of what will be a very intense, aggressive Wigan (as ever).
Hoping SOL also feels the pace, great player and sure he will want to go out with a bang, in all senses.

I really like Smith but this a big ask to come back play well in such an important game against very good opposition.