That must mean P & R will be scrapped.

They intend running a team in 2021, supposedly. If reports of them not paying staff are true then they should be disabused of that notion straight away.

I don’t know what to think about this, I absolutely want/wanted toronto to succeed, however im not sure they should be just allowed to stay in SL, surely they should have seen this coming and not let it get as far as letting fixtures being announced?

Bugger https://superleague.co.uk/article/1460/ ... o-wolfpack

Bugger https://superleague.co.uk/article/1460/ ... o-wolfpack

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/56 ... o-wolfpack That reads to me as bye bye wolfpack

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/56 ... o-wolfpack That reads to me as bye bye wolfpack

Wonder where this leaves the Ward Myler Hall deals?

Sad news for the game and especially the Toronto players.

There is a lot of mud that can be slung at Toronto but being done in by a 1 in 100 year event is pretty hard to predict.

The RFL have some tough decisions ahead now. Surely Toronto can't just waltz back in next season like nothing happened?

It must also cast big shadows over SL's ability to expand outside it's northern roots under its current methods. Only Catalan have had any recent success with clubs in London, Wales, Paris and now Toronto all hitting significant issues in sustainability.

I would add, this gives me no pleasure, but it is no surprise.

If the deals for Myler, Ward and for that matter Hall have gone through i.e contracts signed then they become the responsibility of TWP.
If on the other hand they have gone bust their assets which include their players can be sold.
Well that`s my take on it.
The worry is how these guys and others are going to make a living without getting paid.
And why wasn't this sorted last week when the fixtures were announced?
Surely they knew then what was going to happen or has the owner lied?
Just when our points difference was looking good

Are they TWP’s responsibility even if the contracts haven’t started?

Statement from Toronto

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It’s becoming a Joke, forget the right and wrongs of Toronto being in the Super League, it’s now clear that the owner is not going to bank roll the club this season.
What about the players and their futures, simply to make a statement like he has shows we have no idea what is happening, what about the players who have signed for him and were about to sign. If this is not the case and it is hardship then SL should be doing all they can to help this club full fill their fixtures. I have re-financed firms for years via venture capital firms and candidly I have never known such a hard time in which to raise capital, banks want security and if little or no security then no money.
There is a bigger issue here, the RFL and Super League have no idea what to do, they do not employ the right people etc, it seems they are amateurs trying to run the game.
Read the script, Players agents are ringing Up the owner saying this player wants to sign for you, that player wants to sign, of course the owner will get out the cheque book, they are queuing up to join this club, unfortunately TWP have fallen on hard times , Coronavirus has hit firms hard, They cannot fulfil the games fixtures, yet every other team is down to play their games. What about players and their mortgages etc , they have regular bills to pay
If the likes of other clubs and ourselves can play this season then for the spirit of the game and fairness to all the teams they have to face the consequences, simply letting them off and allowing them to rejoin next season in SL is not acceptable. What happens next year if this virus is still prominent , just allow them to do it again.
They need to be told if they play their games and complete this season they will be no relegation, if they simply walk away they will be relegated at least two divisions and start on minus points basis.
Whatever we think this has become a serious situation, we in danger of becoming a laughing stock, or if it’s looking bleak for a couple of other teams they could simply do the same and they will get away with it. That is why the RFL and SL must sort this out and quickly.
The RFL and SL must do all in their power to sort this out, they should have already been working with the UK government asking them for their help with VISA’s etc, if we value TWP as a team of SL then we all should help them and support them, alternately kick them out of SL.

Argyle has at least personally guaranteed player and staff wages for the rest of the season.
Hopefully, they'll be able to loan players out for the rest of the season and then come back next year.

Whilst I understand the anger and frustration I don't see what benefit demotions and points deductions are supposed to have. Kick a club when it's down? This is a club in the shiiiit and as people have said, individuals left in uncertain financial situations.

If TWP are expecting to start next season then there needs to be a thorough investigation into their ability to survive for at least the next ten years.

This should not be about punishment it should be about understanding if something like TWP really is achievable for our sport or whether it was just a shiny thing well sold by some sharp suits.

What I don’t understand is why TWP gave assurances late last week then pull the plug so close to restart. Shambles. There is no way I would let them waltz back in to SL next year. Some serious questions need answering all round including the RFL.

Oooops wrong again.

Absolutely. I believe this is an ultimatum from David Argyle to the other Super League clubs accept Toronto as an equal or they will walk away.

Anyone who believes the sky tv deal will be as valuable with Leigh or Feb replacing Toronto is delusional.

Clubs have repeatedly attacked Toronto, no sky tv money is the big one but also, a lower salary cap as they can’t possibly have club trained players yet, no additional overseas quota, and just today no access to the RFL bailout fund.

Happens to all. But there is too much ideology postings on here, at the expense of reality postings. Let’s just wake up to what’s in front of us, and stop pretending it’s more like what people want.

There should be no excuses for Toronto on what they have done. They should be back to the back of the queue now for superleague spots.

Exactly,

Hey marty Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.lol.

That's fine. Demote them or whatever but what does it achieve? It will probably bankrupt the club, if they aren't already, or at best leave it clinging on for dear life.

Tbh the whole thing was sadly inevitable. We can't keep a club going at decent level over the way in Wales. The chances of one taking off in Canada was pretty slim.

If the RFL are serious about expansion on any level they need to figure out how to do it as almost all attempts over the last 30 years have failed. Or we could just face into the truth that the sport we love isn't that important to others. Never had been and never will be (yep, I did actually say that).

You do realise that they haven’t only hit financial issues, but they have put in doubt the integrity of our competition, and shafted innocent families where careers could be threatened?

Why should the rules change for one club who’s actions are far worse than previous clubs, who have been penalised accordingly for their misdemeanours?

They’re not the first club to do it and they won’t be the last.

The only sustainable way to run this sport is on 5 year franchises with Any club who meets certain criteria able to join.

Personally I think TWP should be relegated and a Championship team promoted. If SL let them stay in SL next year it will give off all the possible wrong signals. I somehow think they won’t be around Next year period.

Why should a championship club be promoted when they are doing the same as Toronto?

No promotion or relegation announced anyway.