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| How many kids that aren't playing should be in our first team for huddersfield?
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Well if we keep playing the same players that have lead us to 3 relegation battles in 4 years things wont improve.'"
Haven’t we shifted on around 20 players in the last 2 years alone?
As for the younger players, Im in agreement they should be getting a bit more game time this season and I hope it will be the case, I also hope that if they make errors people on here don’t quickly turn on them and call for them dropping (that’s probably wishful thinking)
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| Quote ="D4mo78"I worry about the clubs ability to transition the young prospects into the team. There's not a lot of experience behind the scenes and appears to be some reluctance to put them in to cover injuries etc. The youngsters need to see a route or we're at risk of losing them. I'm hearing that one of them has already decided to leave the sport'"
But that happens to the vast majority of lads that want to play pro sport
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| Quote ="christopher"Haven’t we shifted on around 20 players in the last 2 years alone?
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Yep we have. Yet people still saying the club keep playing same rubbish players etc. Simply nonsense
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| Quote ="Trebor1"Yep we have. Yet people still saying the club keep playing same rubbish players etc. Simply nonsense'"
I was referring to Dwyer, Sutcliffe, Cuthbo, Donaldson etc. Give the kids a chance. Accept they will make errors, accept we will loose games but they will improve. The 4 ive just mentioned certainly wont and we are losing games with them also.
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| But who are the kids that should be given a chance?
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"I was referring to Dwyer, Sutcliffe, Cuthbo, Donaldson etc. Give the kids a chance. Accept they will make errors, accept we will loose games but they will improve. The 4 ive just mentioned certainly wont and we are losing games with them also.'"
This forum would be in meltdown if we were sat at the bottom of the table playing academy kids. First sign of inexperience and mistakes they would become scapegoats.
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| Quote ="christopher"This forum would be in meltdown if we were sat at the bottom of the table playing academy kids. First sign of inexperience and mistakes they would become scapegoats.'"
It would ruin these players careers also. You simply cannot just throw them all in.
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| Just heard Cameron Smith made 61 tackles v Hull!
One massive positive....
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| Bringing kids through now is different to how it was before when the Golden's came through. The game is much more physically demanding now, it's faster and the players are physically bigger. Look at the size of Hull's forward pack last week, it was huge.
This means that the old adage of "if you're good enough you're old enough" is also a bit different now as the kids might have some exciting footwork and a turn of pace, but unless they can withstand the physical side of the game you run the risk of them getting seriously hurt. Look at Jack Walker, he's thrown around like a rag doll at times, and he's been playing for a couple of years now.
We need to be careful how we introduce the kids, otherwise we run the risk of not only preventing them from reaching their potential, we could get someone badly hurt.
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| Quote ="christopher"This forum would be in meltdown if we were sat at the bottom of the table playing academy kids. First sign of inexperience and mistakes they would become scapegoats.'"
It will be in meltdown if we sit at the bottim of the league without bringing kids through though. The kids need to broyght thru gradually obviously.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"It will be in meltdown if we sit at the bottim of the league without bringing kids through though. The kids need to broyght thru gradually obviously.'"
We are bringing Kids through though.
Newman has been given the number 3 spot
Oledski looks like he will be part of the the match day squad
Smith looks to have cemented the 13 spot
Walker is obviously first choice number 1
Mclellan will play more games this year
We actually have a very youthful first team squad
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| Quote ="christopher"We are bringing Kids through though.
Newman has been given the number 3 spot
Oledski looks like he will be part of the the match day squad
Smith looks to have cemented the 13 spot
Walker is obviously first choice number 1
Mclellan will play more games this year
We actually have a very youthful first team squad'"
I used to stick my head in the sand in the 80s and 90s. I admire your approach. Your trying to paint a much more positive picture but were in a hole at moment.
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| Which kids are we not picking that should be in the team?
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| Walters, Holroyd, Johnson (if still around) Mustapha, Stephens and Broadbent should all be looking at getting several games this season . A chance was clearly lost not playing Holroyd last week with Ava missing.
Weve no bottle in giving them experience unfortunately.
Last year Corey was 3rd choice hooker, now hes 4th. Work that out!
As ive said many times, the time you dont pick a kid cos hes not ready is the time he will never be picked because he will never be ready. The golden generation wasnt ready when they was given a chance.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"I used to stick my head in the sand in the 80s and 90s. I admire your approach. Your trying to paint a much more positive picture but were in a hole at moment.'"
I’m not sticking my head in the sand, we are not where we should be at all, difference is I think the club are aware and are trying to do something about it it but I am under no illusions that it will be a quick fix, I also think making any predictions of how the year will pan out after one game is daft
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Walters, Holroyd, Johnson (if still around) Mustapha, Stephens and Broadbent should all be looking at getting several games this season . A chance was clearly lost not playing Holroyd last week with Ava missing.
Weve no bottle in giving them experience unfortunately.
Last year Corey was 3rd choice hooker, now hes 4th. Work that out!
As ive said many times, the time you dont pick a kid cos hes not ready is the time he will never be picked because he will never be ready. The golden generation wasnt ready when they was given a chance.'"
Johnson maybe further down the pecking order cos we can't get rid of myler.hopefully he'll still get his opportunity or at least get decent time at fev.i thought holroyd should be in the squad against hull.
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| Mik Olezdski has to start stepping up his performances IMO. He has a Chris Feather vibe about him to be. He's a similar age and has played more games than Matty Lees at Saints, but Lees looks a level above him at the moment.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Mik Olezdski has to start stepping up his performances IMO. He has a Chris Feather vibe about him to be. He's a similar age and has played more games than Matty Lees at Saints, but Lees looks a level above him at the moment.'"
I agree he needs to step up, but not sure Feather is the right analogy.
Oledski doesn't seem capable of playing long minutes when I've seen him - either because of physicality/fitness or that the coaching staff see the need to replace him - or both. Feather simply lacked aggression and rarely bent opposition defences; not sure this is true of Mikolaj.
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| Quote ="bdrhino"Johnson maybe further down the pecking order cos we can't get rid of myler.hopefully he'll still get his opportunity or at least get decent time at fev.i thought holroyd should be in the squad against hull.'"
Johnson should have got more time at Fev last year but didn't happen. Keeping him in a poor 19s comp sent his development backwards IMO
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| Like three or four others he needs to be playing against quality blokes every week.injured at the minute though
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| Agree Johnson could do playing mainly at championship level this year. He only started training full time half way through 2019, he has plenty of time. End of this year Dwyer and myler are out of contract.
Regarding oledski, I think his body shape is much better this year, has slimmed down and I think will be much better and more mobile for it. Still only young for a prop.
Aaron Smith and ashworth at saints are only becoming regulars in last year or so and are 23 ish.
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| Where does this nonsense of the game harder to introduce younger now come from? It’s all relative anyway, but regardless this comp is nothing to what it was.
Despite this other clubs put out and back youngsters regardless. We used to be the leader in this, and hence why we had a golden generation of a lot of homegrown. Now we say things, but don’t back it up.
Last night Cas had a lad on bench making his debut at prop, and he’s younger than Holroyd, and Johnson. This was against a good Wigan side as well, not a run of mill match.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Where does this nonsense of the game harder to introduce younger now come from? It’s all relative anyway, but regardless this comp is nothing to what it was.
Despite this other clubs put out and back youngsters regardless. We used to be the leader in this, and hence why we had a golden generation of a lot of homegrown. Now we say things, but don’t back it up.
Last night Cas had a lad on bench making his debut at prop, and he’s younger than Holroyd, and Johnson. This was against a good Wigan side as well, not a run of mill match.'"
Why do you think it’s nonsense? The physical demands have significantly increased in the last 20 years. Ex and current players and coaches along with common sense and the evidence in front of us every week shows that to be the case.
I don’t see masses of 17/18 year olds being played consistently by other clubs. They appear to be doing it mostly when there’s little other option.
The NRL clearly think it’s not right to introduce youngsters to first grade so young as their average age of debut is significantly higher than SL’s.
As for the young lad making his debut for Cas, didn’t they have significant injury problems? And didn’t Holroyd make his debut 2 years ago?
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| Quote ="Him"Why do you think it’s nonsense? The physical demands have significantly increased in the last 20 years. Ex and current players and coaches along with common sense and the evidence in front of us every week shows that to be the case. ?'"
It’s absolute nonsense, and no such evidence exists. Players are no faster, and no stronger than they were 15-20 years ago. The defences are far less intense, and so much has been taken out of the game to soften it, it is a far cry from what it was.
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