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| Quote ="RhinoLaney"If it was to have seats surely it would be better the other way around? Seats at the front, Standing at the back.'"
I seriously doubt any club would be allowed to have a top tier made for standing for health and safety reasons.
Quote ="RhinoLaney"Don't even get me started on the roof, why does most new builds/stands have to have high roofs?'"
I'm not an architect expert but I'd guess the angle/height of roofs nowadays is to do with not having any sight-blocking beams/pillars in the stand and thus the roof is supported differently to older versions.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"I seriously doubt any club would be allowed to have a top tier made for standing for health and safety reasons.
I'm not an architect expert but I'd guess the angle/height of roofs nowadays is to do with not having any sight-blocking beams/pillars in the stand and thus the roof is supported differently to older versions.'"
H&S Bingo, you win!
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| Indeed. upon touring Wembley before last year's final, I was intriuged to discover that the arch is there to hold up the roof, so no pillars are needed, and there are no obscured views.
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| Quote ="RhinoLaney"H&S Bingo, you win!'"
You and some others might not like it but it will be the reason. I seriously doubt any proposed design that featured the seats at the front and standing at the back would get approved whether you wished it would or not.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"You and some others might not like it but it will be the reason. I seriously doubt any proposed design that featured the seats at the front and standing at the back would get approved whether you wished it would or not.'"
I'm not saying you are wrong, but what h&s grounds would prevent upper level standing?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Seating configurations don't create atmosphere. Fans create atmosphere. There will still be 7,000 people in that stand on a weekly basis. I'm not sure where this idea comes from that anyone who sits down at a sporting event is immediately rendered mute?
I've been in plenty of all-seater stadia with incredible atmospheres for big games (the old Highbury, Valley Parade, Old Trafford etc) so it's nonsense to suggest that if people have their backsides on a seat somehow it will kill it.'"
Because by the looks of this thread most fans talk out of their so making them sit down will render them mute.
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| Quote ="tigertot"I'm not saying you are wrong, but what h&s grounds would prevent upper level standing?'"
For example the Championship finals day a few back held at the Halliwell Jones. A small fire broke out inside one of the stand and they had to empty the fans onto the pitch. Given a similar situation at a new Leeds South Stand I doubt the preferred setup would be a load of standing fans rushing down onto a seated section.
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| Quote ="tigertot"I'm not saying you are wrong, but what h&s grounds would prevent upper level standing?'"
Is it not more a case that if you are low down and sat down your view isn't great. Standing on the lower part still affords at worst a reasonable view.
I don't think it is a h&s issue so much.
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| My initial thoughts that we should keep the whole of the South Stand as a terrace but am now convinced that this is the right way forward. From what I have read the standing capacity in the new stand will be the same as the existing and decrepit South Stand, so there is absolutely no reason why the atmosphere should change. Plus, and this is an important point, the atmosphere at somewhere like Valley Parade in Bradford, which is all seating, has been incredible at the big games over recent years. I know this as a fact as, by an accident of birth and my dear departed parents' sporting loves, I regularly attend games at both Headingley and Valley Parade.
Let's stop moaning and get right behind our club bringing HQ into the 21st century.
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| Those who think the atmopshere will be the same once the dwellers move in should try going to any one of our aways.
2/3rds of the fans sat down, never getting off their and rarely raising their voice. Left to the 100 or so who stand at the back to make up for it.
I think what's already been alluded to is spot on - you'll have families with screaming kids in the back who'll immediately demand the atmosphere get calmed down so as not to offend their little darlings.
I like going to the rugby and being able to call Silverwood a bent, inbred, sh*tforbrains thunderc*nt when he screws up a call.
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| Quote ="Worlds Apart"Those who think the atmopshere will be the same once the dwellers move in should try going to any one of our aways.
2/3rds of the fans sat down, never getting off their booty and rarely raising their voice. Left to the 100 or so who stand at the back to make up for it.
I think what's already been alluded to is spot on - you'll have families with screaming kids in the back who'll immediately demand the atmosphere get calmed down so as not to offend their little darlings.
I like going to the rugby and being able to call Silverwood a bent, inbred, sh*tforbrains thunderc*nt when he screws up a call.'"
Oh then that is a good argument for more seating
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| Quote ="Worlds Apart"
I like going to the rugby and being able to call Silverwood a bent, inbred, sh*tforbrains thunderc*nt when he screws up a call.'"
Hope we never sit near you then.
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| Quote ="Worlds Apart"Those who think the atmopshere will be the same once the dwellers move in should try going to any one of our aways.
2/3rds of the fans sat down, never getting off their booty and rarely raising their voice. Left to the 100 or so who stand at the back to make up for it.
I think what's already been alluded to is spot on - you'll have families with screaming kids in the back who'll immediately demand the atmosphere get calmed down so as not to offend their little darlings.
I like going to the rugby and being able to call Silverwood a bent, inbred, sh*tforbrains thunderc*nt when he screws up a call.'"
I assume you're just trying to be funny, though failing because if you're being serious then I very much doubt you are a 'fan' that the club would want to retain anyway.
Your views are, in my humble opinion, outdated and neanderthal. It would be perhaps better all-round if you picked up another sport.
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| Everyone has a right to an opinion but in this case the Club imo have got this spot on the reasons behind it are explained and the plans look fantastic.
Time for those opposing to make like Frozen.....
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| Quote ="Worlds Apart"Those who think the atmopshere will be the same once the dwellers move in should try going to any one of our aways.
2/3rds of the fans sat down, never getting off their booty and rarely raising their voice. Left to the 100 or so who stand at the back to make up for it.
I think what's already been alluded to is spot on - you'll have families with screaming kids in the back who'll immediately demand the atmosphere get calmed down so as not to offend their little darlings.
I like going to the rugby and being able to call Silverwood a bent, inbred, sh*tforbrains thunderc*nt when he screws up a call.'"
I can't believe this.
Granny, when did you find out how to use the Internet?
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| So the primary objection now is "I'll be near families and they won't want to hear me swearing my head off for 80 minutes"?
Oooh, good argument for the club denying itself some revenue that.
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| It looks like the new proposals are going to give you all the best of both worlds and you should count yourself lucky that you've got the money to invest and bring the stadium up to modern day standards. At least you'll have the freedom of choice and will hopefully recreate the lively atmosphere within the standing section. Who knows, even the fans in the seats may well spend most of the match stood up and contributing to the noise!
Come to Huddersfield and enjoy the sterile atmosphere of a large empty stadium despite the efforts of a few passionate groups spread around who try (often falling on their a+se) to get the crowd going. Probably the reason why I enjoy our away games so much!
Before any of you current Loiners have a go, I feel that I'm fairly well qualified to comment having been a Leeds season ticket holder and ever-present in the Southstand for 10 years plus from the early 90's (both home and away).
I can appreciate the views and comments made by others regarding the antiquated state of the current South Stand, getting there earlier to ensure getting in and the definite deterioration of the general atmosphere and language etc over recent years which is possibly down to new so called fans drifting in due to the mixed fortunes (decline!?) of LUFC. This was the primary reason I'm now at Huddersfield - there was no way that I could subject my young son to such a volatile atmosphere when he took an interest in RL but opted for the comfort and safety of our own seat every week!
I'll always have fond memories of the old days in South Stand 3, but surely it's time your club moved on!
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| I heard just as much, if not more swearing in the south stand when I was a kid than I do now. And definitely more homophobic, sexist and racist language. Though I use those terms in a very loose sense.
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| Quote ="scosha"It looks like the new proposals are going to give you all the best of both worlds and you should count yourself lucky that you've got the money to invest and bring the stadium up to modern day standards. At least you'll have the freedom of choice and will hopefully recreate the lively atmosphere within the standing section. Who knows, even the fans in the seats may well spend most of the match stood up and contributing to the noise!
Come to Huddersfield and enjoy the sterile atmosphere of a large empty stadium despite the efforts of a few passionate groups spread around who try (often falling on their a+se) to get the crowd going. Probably the reason why I enjoy our away games so much!
Before any of you current Loiners have a go, I feel that I'm fairly well qualified to comment having been a Leeds season ticket holder and ever-present in the Southstand for 10 years plus from the early 90's (both home and away).
I can appreciate the views and comments made by others regarding the antiquated state of the current South Stand, getting there earlier to ensure getting in and the defindeterioration of the general atmosphere and language etc over recent years which is possibly down to new so called fans drifting in due to the mixed fortunes (decline!?) of LUFC. This was the primary reason I'm now at Huddersfield - there was no way that I could subject my young son to such a volatile atmosphere when he took an interest in RL but opted for the comfort and safety of our own seat every week!
I'll always have fond memories of the old days in South Stand 3, but surely it's time your club moved on!'" i didn't move that far only over to the north stand
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| Fair point Lionarmour87! No doubt you're fairly local - I'm not! I still wanted to be part of the RL culture and opted to watch my local club - at the time they definitely needed all the fans they could get but I now feel part of a revival and change of fortune for the Giants. I definitely can't be accused of being a pot chaser or glory hunter can I!!
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| Quote ="scosha"Fair point Lionarmour87! No doubt you're fairly local - I'm not! I still wanted to be part of the RL culture and opted to watch my local club - at the time they definitely needed all the fans they could get but I now feel part of a revival and change of fortune for the Giants. I definitely can't be accused of being a pot chaser or glory hunter can I!!
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No you can't and I'm not local any more ,but when I come home it's the North stand ,but I moved over when the crowds stated to increase I couldn't do with having to arrive early and of course the oafish element the band never bothered me though
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| I see there is now a protest group started up about seating in the Southstand .Nobody from here I hope
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"I see there is now a protest group started up about seating in the Southstand .Nobody from here I hope'"
Each to their own I guess.
However, if people are going to object I hope they at least have very clear sensible reason's (I like to swear a lot not being one) and that they have also prepared a valid alternative that meets their, the wider fan base, the clubs, the various local authorities, the rfl and local residents needs just like the club has tried to do with their proposal.
Though I suspect the protest group are just stating they don't want any seats in the south stand and have left it at that.
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| I like the idea of standing and seating in the southstand. Those who want to stand can still stand, there is nothing for them to complain and protest about, still that won't stop some people.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Because Warrington didn't lose 1,300 seats from one side of the ground that they had to replace.
In fact I'd hazard a guess that the HJ has more seats than Wilderspool used to, given the main stand there had terracing in front of it.
And there still is a terrace in the South Stand. It's just about 20% smaller than the existing one. So what's the problem again?'"
This. Fact is we have an aging population and people are more used to sitting at sports now. SS and ground as a whole needs to move with the times.
Also RL prides itself on being a family game and as a parent young kids need seats...when I started I sat on the wall at the front of the ss for 2-3 years. That's not something the club could allow or plan for in a new stand.
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