TBF, stating that he's been selected by the likes of GF winning coaches Smith, McClennen and McDermott is a better/rational argument/appraisal than some fan saying "he does f**k all for me!"

I dare say SOME of the Leeds fans who have grown to dislike him have done so simply based on the view other clubs fans have on him and are afraid of looking so biased towards their own team so feel the need to join the "Bailey thug" bandwagon.

Note I said SOME, as some have given fair reasons against Bailey about how he's not consistent enough (but pointed out how he can be good on his day) and silly antics at times, these are the ones who calmly state he should be moved on for someone else and nothing wrong with that view.

Then you get SOME who say he's c**p, always has been c**p, penalty machine, thug etc, who should be shipped off to London or the Championship because he's completely useless.

I dare say that their are actually not many who "dislike" him. If they do they're quite idiotic for disliking someone whose put his body out there on the field for this club whilst you watch in the stands or on tv. Might be quite a few that are frustrated, annoyed, disappointed in him. But "dislike" as an emotion towards him (or anyone who plays for the club) is pathetic IMO.

If they dislike his style of rugby or his contribution to the team, then fair enough thats their opinion and its their right to think so.

but if they dislike the man based on nothing more than heresay or rumour or the opinions of others ( Stan Wall included) then they are prejudiced and IMHO just plain stupid

I couldn't give a tuppeny shizzle what Stan Wall thinks about our players.

Bailey has been a disappointment the last year or so. Before that he was a decent forward who did an important job.

So has Ian Kirke



So we can assume that you also think that Bailey merits inclusion on the basis that he intimidates the opposition , which of course was the comment I quoted . I prefer props that actually hurt the opposition ( within the rules ) now and again , not just posture around a bit then blow the equivalent of a rugby league raspberry .

Yes and merited international selection at the time .

You can assume whatever you want.

As to why he retained his position I woud simply refer you to our past coaching staff.

I like Bailey because he had what I call "corners" and he used them. I also seem to recall 30 odd thousand Leeds fans cheering to the rafters at our numerous GF victories but I dont recall at the time hearing many bleating about one or even two individuals.

Yes he may now have peaked career wise but another thing I like about the current Rhinos set up is we do tend to retain some loyalty to those who have served us well.

So do you think he intimidates the opposition or not ? That was the issue I commented on .

Quite why you chose to bring up 30 odd thousand fans cheering the team at O/T is a little strange .

I think he (past tense I admit) frustrated, annoyed and distracted the opposition on most occassions.

The second point I was making is that you and several others on this thread appear to be somewhat hypocrtical ...IMHO

or are you denying the facts of his Leeds career.

The question is still do you think he is an intimidating presence in the team or not , quite why you feel I am being hypocritical or denying his Leeds career is bizarre in the extreme .

Yes !! as a regular member of a pack that lead the team to 5 GF wins then clearly his prescence woud have been intimidating. IMHO



I think its quite clear why I think you are being hypocritical.

Bailey isn't intimidating. The opposition always wants to get stuck into him. I remember a game at kr circa 2009 when he shirked out of taking the first drive on a penalty because the saints forwards were ravenous, pointing him out and saying "you just try and run at me son". Bailey copped fa'asavalu with a dodgy hit and they got wound up and started tackling like demons. Half the time bailey only motivates a team to defend faster and harder. He stirs up the hornets nest.

It's laughable people seriously suggest he's intimidating when you get players lining up to knock his block off.

Yes him being a target man hasn't worked, not once. Ever.

Then yer memory is playing tricks he did take it up and Graham hit him 3rd man in ironically what everyone slated RB for.
Also there was nothing dodgy about him snotting fatty sat on the loo either he stood his ground and the Lummox ran into him the furore was because he got a smashed schnozz as a result of him running into RB's shoulder and replays showed CLEARLY Maurie was falling forward before contact.
RB can leave for me but lets not start making stuff up to back a negative view of a player he has been there and done it but lacks consistency & to be fair is no longer required imo but saying that he has contributed more than the panto sh## you like to spout.

Bails passing his wisdom on. He's probably teaching raised knees etc. www.leedsrugbyfoundation.org/events/21832.php

Bails passing his wisdom on. He's probably teaching raised knees etc. www.leedsrugbyfoundation.org/events/21832.php

Search leeds Helens biff on the tube of you and the bailey graham vid is on.

The main problem with this argument of he has all the GF rings, been selected by the best coaches etc is that by some it's a very selective argument. The same could be said of critisism aimed at kirke.

I personally don't dislike him as a player just don't rate him as highly as some. Think he is a decent player to have in the squad but not leading the front row. Which is where some of my frustration with him lies as I personally believe he could have been much more.

Personally don't see him as an intimidating player. Niggly, winds opposition up and can get under their skin to make stupid errors like the Warrington grand final but for me not intimidating.

Not saying he is soft or useless but I don't think he puts the poop up opposition players. I have seen bailey do some monster hits, but sadly they are all too rare. ( the one at headingley on Morley for wire sticks in my mind and certainly rattled Morley big fair hit)

The graham hit was in our half, I was referring to a situation where leeds had a tap in their half and bailey bottled out of driving it in after the saints players were dying for it to happen. Intimidation...not even once.

I remember that and the hit reverberated around headingly and into leeds city centre. That was the single greatest moment of baileys career and when you think he's been calable of that, but has all too often offered powder puff, that's why some people are frustrated with him.

I would say that run he did at Catalan a couple of years ago was the best thing he's ever done.

Where was that level of play throughout his career though?

It probably in rugby skill terms the highlight skill of his career.

But which other props have offered something on that level which is so glittering? They are freak moments. To cherish. Out of it all i thought the slick, well thought timed offload to McGuire was the cherry on the cake. You could easily get caught up in the moment...

The angled run to burst the line, the fends, the step, the speed, the pass. (I'm done)

Hope you have a spare pair of pants at work today sounds like you have made a mess

You shouldn't let your deep feelings of love for Bailey influence your posts.

The run was good, but every dog has its day.

Don't be silly, some people on here reliably inform us that he's done absolutely zero since 2004.