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| Away from his try...which i'm still attempting to clean myself up over, was just a big stint and match overall. Played 65 minutes.....good in collision, ran over a few and bossed the tackling, I presume high tackle count. With JP resting up in the 2nd half, he seemed to enjoy the added responsibility. The try (which showed great turn of pace and support play, great bust from Delaney too) was the cherry on the top.
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| Media were told on Friday that Bailey was ill,but Mac said he was not ill he was not selected.
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| Now I don't like negative rumours but they're coming out of camp of a possible dismissal. If true its not great in his testimonial season. However it may all be rubbish
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| Quote ="bewildered"Now I don't like negative rumours but they're coming out of camp of a possible dismissal. If true its not great in his testimonial season. However it may all be rubbish'"
Given Hardaker's previous misdemeanours the sacking of Bailey could be considered harsh, though in Bailey's case it's the sheer frequency of delinquent acts, most of which may be considered minor when assessed in isolation. I'm led to believe that if the coach had got his way, both players would have been shown the door quite some time ago.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Given Hardaker's previous misdemeanours the sacking of Bailey could be considered harsh, though in Bailey's case it's the sheer frequency of delinquent acts, most of which may be considered minor when assessed in isolation. I'm led to believe that if the coach had got his way, both players would have been shown the door quite some time ago.'"
THe way I see it is that Leeds are a fairly forgiving club. They stood by Bailey when he had his troubles. There have been rumours of other issues dotted across his career, and it seems that he does attract a bit of bother. If he leaves Leeds it will be because he has crossed a line once too often.
Regarding Hardaker, I think it would have been harsh to bin him, for something that went off on England camp, and also for his first offense. He made a public apology, and promised to come back stronger, which I think he has done. The Hardaker of this season is certainly a better player than in previous years.
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| Quote ="The Eagle"Regarding Hardaker, I think it would have been harsh to bin him, for something that went off on England camp, and also for his first offense. He made a public apology, and promised to come back stronger, which I think he has done. The Hardaker of this season is certainly a better player than in previous years.'"
It's the same Hardaker, but one is maturing. He was quality last season also. Shame we are going to lose him due to how the club handled his disciplinary.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"It's the same Hardaker, but one is maturing. He was quality last season also. Shame we are going to lose him due to how the club handled his disciplinary.'"
Now that has me baffled, are we losing Hardaker, Bailey, both or neither?
Whose disciplinary did the club mishandle & in what way did they mishandle it?
Unlike many on here I am not privy to the internal processes & procedures at the club.
Or is it all merely hearsay & rumour mongering?
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| Hmmm if we're going to lose him due to how the club handled his disciplinary why has he really buckled down to work hard and promised the club he'd put 110% in to make up for it. And then be rewarded with the captaincy on Boxing Day.
Just doesn't make sense.
If we're going to lose him at some point, it'll be for either the challenge or money of the NRL or Union.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"Unlike many on here I am not privy to the internal processes & procedures at the club.
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In that case you are just like everyone else.
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| As for Bailey,if he has been disciplined it will be kept internal.If he has been dismissed we can expect a statement quite soon?
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| I've seen a screenshot of a text from Bailey denying the sacking and other rumours.
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| Quote ="The Eagle"They stood by Bailey when he had his troubles.'"
And Chev Walker and Dwayne Barker, who seem to have been given "free passes" by the RL community for their part in the incident.
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| Quote ="Him"Hmmm if we're going to lose him due to how the club handled his disciplinary why has he really buckled down to work hard and promised the club he'd put 110% in to make up for it. And then be rewarded with the captaincy on Boxing Day.
Just doesn't make sense.
If we're going to lose him at some point, it'll be for either the challenge or money of the NRL or Union.'"
He is proving a point.
He felt he was handled badly and not consistently with others, and the instruction form McDermott for him to return to training straight away and cancel his holiday, in Zak's own words "will not be forgotten".
He was in discussions about a new contract before the episode with England. After then he called off all talks, and has not been back to the table since. His intention was to move at the end of his contract, back at Christmas time.
Hopefully, and I hope desperately, something will change there, and between them they can change his mind.
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| Well there is another 2 years for him to change his mind after this one. Though i can't imagine anyone thinking that getting kicked out of a world cup squad would earn them anything other than a kick up the .
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| To clarify is he upset that he feels others have got away with things and he has been punished?
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| Quote ="DHM"In that case you are just like everyone else.'"
There are many on here who would wish us to believe otherwise.
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| Quote ="rhinos21"To clarify is he upset that he feels others have got away with things and he has been punished?'"
Yes. But the biggest point was that he ended up with no break at all because of it. As soon as the England issue happened, Leeds dealt with it and told him to get back in training and cancel the holiday he had booked. Every player other than him had a break of some nature.
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| These guys get paid to play sport, I have no idea what they have to complain about.
Oh dear, every now and again their employer asks them not to get f********d up on beer while they are expected to be ready to do their job. I get told when I can and can't book holidays, welcome to the world of grown ups with responsibilities.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Yes. But the biggest point was that he ended up with no break at all because of it. As soon as the England issue happened, Leeds dealt with it and told him to get back in training and cancel the holiday he had booked. Every player other than him had a break of some nature.'"
Every other player at Leeds didn't get kicked out of a World Cup squad though.
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| Quote ="DHM"These guys get paid to play sport, I have no idea what they have to complain about.
Oh dear, every now and again their employer asks them not to get f********d up on beer while they are expected to be ready to do their job. I get told when I can and can't book holidays, welcome to the world of grown ups with responsibilities.'"
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| Quote ="Gotcha"He is proving a point.
He felt he was handled badly and not consistently with others, and the instruction form McDermott for him to return to training straight away and cancel his holiday, in Zak's own words "will not be forgotten".
He was in discussions about a new contract before the episode with England. After then he called off all talks, and has not been back to the table since. His intention was to move at the end of his contract, back at Christmas time.
Hopefully, and I hope desperately, something will change there, and between them they can change his mind.'"
In which case I desperately hope he matures a bit quicker and doesn't waste his talent through arrogance and ego.
He deserved punishing.
I don't see a £2.5k fine and getting back in training to be an overly harsh punishment.
It's his own unprofessionalism that has put him in this position, if it's true he has reacted in that way then he really does need to grow up, as DHM has pointed out.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Every other player at Leeds didn't get kicked out of a World Cup squad though.'"
Not many are good enough to have the opportunity. Those that are should be taken into consideration, when operating a double standards operation, not the other way.
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| Quote ="Him"In which case I desperately hope he matures a bit quicker and doesn't waste his talent through arrogance and ego.
He deserved punishing.
I don't see a £2.5k fine and getting back in training to be an overly harsh punishment.
It's his own unprofessionalism that has put him in this position, if it's true he has reacted in that way then he really does need to grow up, as DHM has pointed out.'"
That's just a head up @rse type of response. Easy to say for someone without the talent to be in that position. I suspect would be different view had you been in same.
I am quite sure were you picked up for something at work, and received a reprimand, that your attitude would be different had your work collegue done the same thing and received a slap on the back.
But easy to comment until it happens to you.
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| Why, who else from Leeds has been kicked out of a England World Cup squad?
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Why, who else from Leeds has been kicked out of a England World Cup squad?'"
He didn't get kicked out of any squad. He left. Yes due to a disciplinary issue. You are confusing it with Hock.
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