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| Lowes was a first team regular at Leeds for 4 years. He developed a lot at the Bulls, but even if Hood went on to be Cunningham Mk2 it couldn't possibly be the same thing at all.
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| Quote ="Him"Well we've narrowed the entire league down to 3 clubs just from looking at their squads. Were any of those clubs in the market for a hooker? Considering 2 of them have let a hooker go on loan to another club this season you'd have to assume hooker isn't a priority for them. What makes you think the club have been lax in terms of Hood's development given the lack of SL opportunities for him??'"
We haven't narrowed down anything. What we have shown is that opportunities would have existed to get him a loan at a super league club, had Leeds made him available and actively pursued that route.
Whether that would have made any difference to where we are now is completely whistling in the wind. But what it would have been is far more productive than messing him about with Hunslet.
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| with the possibility of sir kev playing more games at hooker to accomodate suttcliffe and also having burrow playing 9 when maguire is back fit, it is no wonder that hood wants out and thats not even thinking of mcshane or any truth in the lunt rumours !
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| I'd have no problem taking him at Saints. Howarth is a good stop gap for us in a deal with Gaskell and Salford but when he goes and leaves Robes being the only 9 then i imagine he wouldn't mind coming to Saints?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"We haven't narrowed down anything. What we have shown is that opportunities would have existed to get him a loan at a super league club, had Leeds made him available and actively pursued that route.'"
Could have existed Gotcha. Although as per Him's post, those opportunies may not have been there.
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| More to this lack of chances, could it be an attitude issue ? Can anyone remember Griffin ? Someone mentioned the height of the Leeds bar, how far as this player progressed since making his debut ? He's not he's gone backwards and I am sure Leeds want rid, happy to move him on, possible transfer fee or even if they let him go a sum off the cap to spend on a more recognised hooker ? May be we are happy to interchange I Sinfield, burrow, mcshane I don't know, what I do know is at some point we need a quality scrum half who can move us round the field and dictate play, we have the best back line by a country mile and they are starved of the ball for large parts of the game.
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| I think you will find Cas will be the obvious location, it would be nice to see Clarke come the other way but I expect wire
Already have him lined up for next year,
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| Quote ="Richie"Could have existed Gotcha. Although as per Him's post, those opportunies may not have been there.'"
If I meant could i would have put it Richie. What I said is what I meant. There is always opportunities that open up.
Intact come to think of it, haven't Hull KR and Huddersfield both had hookers on loan this year? The Huddersfield one being a young kid from wire. Which was my point earlier on Wire getting their youngsters out a lot in superleague.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"If I meant could i would have put it Richie. What I said is what I meant. There is always opportunities that open up.
Intact come to think of it, haven't Hull KR and Huddersfield both had hookers on loan this year? The Huddersfield one being a young kid from wire. Which was my point earlier on Wire getting their youngsters out a lot in superleague.'"
I know what you meant, I wasn't interpreting your post, just pointing out it's erroneous nature.
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| Quote ="Tingley Rhino"what I do know is at some point we need a quality scrum half who can move us round the field and dictate play, we have the best back line by a country mile and they are starved of the ball for large parts of the game.'"
Move us around the field.....dictate play....the Kevin Sinfield role?
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| Quote ="Richie"I know what you meant, I wasn't interpreting your post, just pointing out it's erroneous nature.'"
Then you need to open your eyes to the game rather than the club, as your knowledge seems some what limited to Leeds.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Then you need to open your eyes to the game rather than the club, as your knowledge seems some what limited to Leeds.'"
I was going to finish my first response to you with a line about how I fully expected you to respond in your usual style of disagreeing about the colour of the sky, but realised it would have been redundant.
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| Quote ="Richie"I was going to finish my first response to you with a line about how I fully expected you to respond in your usual style of disagreeing about the colour of the sky, but realised it would have been redundant.'"
The colour of the sky is dependent on the weather. I bet you only see blue.
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| anyone that has watched Hunslet this year will know why he's not near the rhinos team.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I have said it before and will say it again, playing at Hunslet will do absolutely nothing to develop players into super league players. It is a way of getting game time only, because they are too old for the clubs back up set ups. Playing super league is the only way youngsters will develop further.'"
yeah just ask brad singleton
the championship is clearly the most competitive league at the moment and is far more skilful then many people give it credit for. so the options are to develop in a tough league playing against grown men/seasoned (semi) pros or go to the likes of London & learn how to stand behind your own stick correctly...pretty easy choice for mine
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| Quote ="Gotcha"The colour of the sky is dependent on the weather. I bet you only see blue.'"
Grey today.
The only other scenario that explains your stance of this is that you might not understand the difference between "could" and "would"
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| Quote ="MHL"yeah just ask brad singleton
the championship is clearly the most competitive league at the moment and is far more skilful then many people give it credit for. so the options are to develop in a tough league playing against grown men/seasoned (semi) pros or go to the likes of London & learn how to stand behind your own stick correctly...pretty easy choice for mine'"
Agree here. The sport (SL and Championship) can gain a lot and really step up the quality of youth development if the dual reg system is used in the right way. Hunslet of course also works for Leeds in not needing a relocating or significant commuting time from players.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"If I meant could i would have put it Richie. What I said is what I meant. There is always opportunities that open up.
Intact come to think of it, haven't Hull KR and Huddersfield both had hookers on loan this year? The Huddersfield one being a young kid from wire. Which was my point earlier on Wire getting their youngsters out a lot in superleague.'"
Which opportunities have opened up for a hooker with little experience that needs a long term loan for his development?
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| I said from day one that Liam Hood never impressed me and i didn't expect him to break through, I know a guy who watches Hunslet regularly and he hasn't been impressed by him at all.
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| Quote ="George Agdgdgwngo®" I know a guy who watches Hunslet regularly and he hasn't been impressed by him at all.'"
your mates not called ryan bailey is he?
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| If Hunslet get relegated will Leeds still use them to dual reg their squad?
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| never thought hood was good enough for a top side myself
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| Quote ="chapylad"If Hunslet get relegated will Leeds still use them to dual reg their squad?'"
Yes.
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| Quote ="MHL"yeah just ask brad singleton
the championship is clearly the most competitive league at the moment and is far more skilful then many people give it credit for. so the options are to develop in a tough league playing against grown men/seasoned (semi) pros or go to the likes of London & learn how to stand behind your own stick correctly...pretty easy choice for mine'"
Ask Brad Singleton what?
Singleton has been no different this year to what he was last year, or even the year before. All that playing at Hunslet as meant for him is that he is still at Leeds, rather than released as too old for academy. He should have been playing since last year. Had injuries not happened at Leeds he wouldn't be here next year.
Look at Keinhorst and Foster. Foster is better than Keinhorst at every facet of the game, far superior player. It's only since he broke into the first team that he was asked to play for Hunslet. His didn't need to go to Hunslet to prove himself. He needed super league game time, and luckily injuries allowed him to prove himself.
Duckworth with no Hunslet game time, as managed to force himself into the squad, whereas Chisolm with his Hunslet time doesn't get a sniff.
The Championshipn has 3 or 4 good sides, the rest are poor. Hunslet is one of the latter. Playing there does not give any platform for super league. Playing super league does that, and that is the only way to further develop potential stars. If Leeds and Wigan entered their under 19's in the championship they would be battling out for winning it.
I notice your point on Hood, and accept it. Accepted because it backs up what I am saying, the player has regressed at Hunslet. Had he been loaned to a super league side instead, whether he was up to it would have been learned in weeks rather than a season.
Dual registration can work if you use it for 16/17 year olds as a taster, with a clear then step to the odd super league game time. But only for the identified few, not all. If you haven't had a sniff by the time you are too old for super league, the simple fact is in the majority of cases, you are not going to be good enough. Leeds seem to be using it to retain players, rather than develop players.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Ask Brad Singleton what?
Singleton has been no different this year to what he was last year, or even the year before. All that playing at Hunslet as meant for him is that he is still at Leeds, rather than released as too old for academy. He should have been playing since last year. Had injuries not happened at Leeds he wouldn't be here next year.
Look at Keinhorst and Foster. Foster is better than Keinhorst at every facet of the game, far superior player. It's only since he broke into the first team that he was asked to play for Hunslet. His didn't need to go to Hunslet to prove himself. He needed super league game time, and luckily injuries allowed him to prove himself.
Duckworth with no Hunslet game time, as managed to force himself into the squad, whereas Chisolm with his Hunslet time doesn't get a sniff.
The Championshipn has 3 or 4 good sides, the rest are poor. Hunslet is one of the latter. Playing there does not give any platform for super league. Playing super league does that, and that is the only way to further develop potential stars. If Leeds and Wigan entered their under 19's in the championship they would be battling out for winning it.
I notice your point on Hood, and accept it. Accepted because it backs up what I am saying, the player has regressed at Hunslet. Had he been loaned to a super league side instead, whether he was up to it would have been learned in weeks rather than a season.
Dual registration can work if you use it for 16/17 year olds as a taster, with a clear then step to the odd super league game time. But only for the identified few, not all. If you haven't had a sniff by the time you are too old for super league, the simple fact is in the majority of cases, you are not going to be good enough. Leeds seem to be using it to retain players, rather than develop players.'"
Difficult to argue against that - If the championship was full of SL quality players we would see greater upward movement, especially given the limited availability of suitable quality through the amateur game and the NRL, the fact that this isn't happening would suggest the standards are not what is required to develop high quality SL youngsters. Would you want your best prospects being managed by the likes of Paul March, Barry Eaton, David Woods etc.
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