|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 7382 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2025 | Jan 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="**Horny88**"So why give him the number 9 shirt?'"
He gave BJB the number 2 shirt but preferred Smith.
I think if the players deserve to be in the team on merit then that`s not a bad thing.
To pick Kirke ahead of possibly Clarkson and Moore does make that seem someone is telling porkies.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 70 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2012 | Jul 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="chapylad"He gave BJB the number 2 shirt but preferred Smith.
I think if the players deserve to be in the team on merit then that`s not a bad thing.
To pick Kirke ahead of possibly Clarkson and Moore does make that seem someone is telling porkies.'"
Sorry but Smith doesn't deserve number 2 shirt and I always thought single numbers were first team choice??
Buderus wouldn't be happy being on the bench
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 7762 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2023 | Jan 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="**Horny88**"
Buderus wouldn't be happy being on the bench'"
Just as well he wasn't then isn't it.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5526 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2019 | Mar 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="GCM1980"I wouldn't worry too much about this. Nantwich is only worried because in his eyes McShane will be past his prime by the end of the year and we should get the best out of him him before he has to make way for someone a bit younger.'"
Exactly
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5526 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2019 | Mar 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"Certainly not
Interesting analogy Nantwich. But perhaps a more realistic one would be the following:
You (as you have introduced yourself into the senario) as a largely unproven junior employee with limited senior experience as yet, who has been employed by the market leading company as an assistant distribution manager. The previous excellent senior distribution manager has moved abroad for personal reasons leaving a vacancy.
The company has decided not to advertise the post externally but give the opportunity to yourself and a promising junior to compete and prove you can step up to the plate and become the senior distribution manager on merit. To encourage you further the company has printed you a new business card with the title of distribution manager but on the understanding that this does not guarantee that the job is yours full time just yet.
However there is a big important and previously arranged negotiation to undertake and the company has decided to ask one of its most experienced and senior excecutives from another department, but with good experience of distribution management, to head up this forthcoming deal.
If your reaction to this situation is to head for the door then I would suggest you are not the sort of character that this company is looking for. If your reaction is to buckle down and prove to the boss that he has to give you the job on merit then you are demonstrating that you have the character to become successfull in your future career.'"
Gosh where do you find the time ?
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5526 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2019 | Mar 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="GCM1980"Just as well he wasn't then isn't it.'"
For a lot of the time in Leeds colours he was wasn't he ??
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5526 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2019 | Mar 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="GCM1980"Just as well he wasn't then isn't it.'"
He spent a lot of time on the bench didn't he ?? I remember Diskin starting many times.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5526 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2019 | Mar 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="GCM1980"Just as well he wasn't then isn't it.'"
Ah but he was though
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 12106 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2015 | Oct 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="**Horny88**"Sorry but Smith doesn't deserve number 2 shirt and I always thought single numbers were first team choice??
'"
You thought wrong. Otherwise it would be pretty dispiriting to have been given the number 18 shirt and know that, whatever you did in training, you could only play if someone else was injured.
Not withstanding that, to name but a few, Peacock, JJB and Sinfield don't have single numbers...
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 22289 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Aug 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| At Leeds numbers 1 to 17 usually roughly equate to the anticipated gameday squad selections when exeryone is available. Indeed when the numbers are announced at Headingley during pre-season Leeds usually talk in terms of players moving up the numbers as a sign of promotion within the squad.
While some posters are having a bit of fun here can any of them actual point to an example of a player given such a lofty squad number without an expectation of featuring regularly when fit? Of course McShane has been selected in both opening fixtures so far so cannot be considered an example of such as yet.
SL Era number 9's at Leeds:
1996 - Mick Shaw
1997 - Wayne Collins
1998 to 2000 - Lee Jackson
2001 - Robbie Mears
2002 to 2008 - Matt Diskin
2009 to 2011 - Danny Buderus
2012 - Paul McShane
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 12106 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2015 | Oct 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="tvoc"
While some posters are having a bit of fun here can any of them actual point to an example of a player given such a lofty squad number without an expectation of featuring regularly when fit? Of course McShane has been selected in both opening fixtures so far so cannot be considered an example of such as yet.
'"
No, but I would suggest that if you award a squad number and the person you give it to doesn't appear the best option in training in subsequent weeks, you can change your mind.
I'm sure we'll see plenty of game time from McShane this year, but you can't assume you're in the team just because you have a 1-17 squad number.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 17230 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2024 | Nov 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="El Diablo"No, but I would suggest that if you award a squad number and the person you give it to doesn't appear the best option in training in subsequent weeks, you can change your mind.
I'm sure we'll see plenty of game time from McShane this year, but you can't assume you're in the team just because you have a 1-17 squad number.'"
Squad numbers shouldn't come into it. But been the only player in that position who is fit to play should.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 19234 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2016 | Feb 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| El D.
My own pov is that Mcshane was awarded the 9 shirt on merit ,his pre-season form points to that and listening to our coach about form been the re-mit for selection then i think Mcshane should be starting at 9 and at the very least deserves more than 10 minutes from 2 games.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4934 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2022 | Dec 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| With the departure of Buderus and no top line hooker being available to sign, McShane was the senior specialist hooker at the club and so it was obvious that he would therefore get the 9 shirt. However having the shirt should not guarantee him the position because although promising he is not the finished or proven article yet.
In fact despite the negative comments about Burrow starting in the 2 games so far IMO Burrow has more 1st team game time experience at hooker than McShane does despite the fact that he is primarily a 7. The coach has gone for experience in the run up to this important WCC game but he may yet spring a suprise lineup for the big game.
It is a long season and McShane will get plenty of chances. With Hood getting injured the coach has tried an experiment that may or may not work out. But last year his handling of Burrow was a major reason in us winning the Championship.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 70 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2012 | Jul 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I don't think he has been given enough opportunity to prove that hooker is the best place for him
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2711 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2022 | Sep 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Thought he had a good game tonight.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 7496 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2014 | Oct 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| McShane was spot on tonight, full of aggression in defence, great kicking game and can act as a 2nd scrum half if needed.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 274 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2012 | Aug 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Matt23"McShane was spot on tonight, full of aggression in defence, great kicking game and can act as a 2nd scrum half if needed.'"
Definately, thought McDermott used them both well. There was a period in the 2nd half where McShane was playing scrum-half and Burrow hooker, looks comfortable at this level.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5526 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2019 | Mar 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Liam Hood looks real class.....BUT McShane did not deserve to be dropped. Why can't we have [uall[/u three in the first 17 ? McShane starting at 9, Hood on the bench and of course Burrow back to starting 7.
Having Burrow then have that 'roaming' freedom to jump in at dummy half or 1st receiver with McShane and Hood alternating to complement him would really test defences (as proven in the WCC)
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 19234 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2007 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2016 | Feb 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| I think it will come eventually Nantwiche i think they (Mcshane and Hood) are been handled with "kid gloves" at this moment in time.
Saying that i agree it should be Mcshane at 9 and Hood on the bench with Burrow at 7 now but we have to trust the coaching team.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5526 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2019 | Mar 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="rhinoms"I think it will come eventually Nantwiche i think they (Mcshane and Hood) are been handled with "kid gloves" at this moment in time.
Saying that i agree it should be Mcshane at 9 and Hood on the bench with Burrow at 7 now but we have to [utrust the coaching team[/u.'"
Not so long ago I would have said why ? I do have more faith now....but it still puzzles me. It's as if Sinfield is immovable now from SO. McGuire and Burrow both demand a starting position so......stick Burrow in at starting hooker regardless seems to be the mantra.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 2570 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2024 | Oct 2023 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Who gives a toss. We're winning games aren't we?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1554 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2022 | Sep 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="nantwichexile"Liam Hood looks real class.....BUT McShane did not deserve to be dropped.'"
I think there's way too much emphasis on players being "dropped" we have a big squad with a lot of competition for places and are at the start of a long season where we need to peak at the end. Rotation is a very sensible approach while we have relatively few injuries.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5526 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2019 | Mar 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Omar Little"I think there's way too much emphasis on players being "dropped" we have a big squad with a lot of competition for places and are at the start of a long season where we need to peak at the end. Rotation is a very sensible approach while we have relatively few injuries.'"
That's patently nonsense... Correct me if I am wrong, but is it not just as likely a player will suffer an injury in the under 20's match ??
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 8893 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2024 | Apr 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| We need two hookers, Hood and McShane both offer something different, Burrow isn't a hooker. I don't see why anyone has to go anywhere?
|
|
|
|
|