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I thought he looked harder to stop than Kirke and Cross have done. I agree he will be more effective when bigger but still thought his display was more effective than some of our forwards have shown this year.

I did it to feed you & then you let me down.
Ah well must try harder, rather like Kirke & Cross it would seem.

Cant see him getting near the first team once everyone returns from injury, another Tom Bush (last resort). York or Hunslet eagerly await his signature.

Were you not impressed then?

Does anyone agree that his progression would be helped by loaning him out (once Leeds are back to full fitness in the forwards) to say Barrow in the championship ?
His Mam's home cooking would fill him up & Mr Wright's fitness regime will keep him sharp and playing at the top end of the Championship will ease his passage into professionalisum


Great prospect

We could do with him, got a lot of rhino mates and they saying similar positives to what ive read about him on here! We're lacking in the forwards big time this year too!

I think a spell in the Championship might do him the world of good.

www.therhinos.co.uk/16181.php 50th Academy graduate? I guess that depends where you start the list and it appears Leeds have started the list with a player that made his Leeds 1st grade debut the season before SL started. If you include Leeds Academy graduates that have played 1st Grade for Leeds (rather than made their debuts for Leeds) during the SL Era you'd have more than 50 names in your list. Of course without knowing the exact criteria it's difficult to agree, disagree or verify the claim.

www.therhinos.co.uk/16181.php 50th Academy graduate? I guess that depends where you start the list and it appears Leeds have started the list with a player that made his Leeds 1st grade debut the season before SL started. If you include Leeds Academy graduates that have played 1st Grade for Leeds (rather than made their debuts for Leeds) during the SL Era you'd have more than 50 names in your list. Of course without knowing the exact criteria it's difficult to agree, disagree or verify the claim.

I read this as a player that had come through the entire academy system (U16's, U18's and U20's) but as you say we don't really know what criteria they are applying.

I thought the same FB but if the "Yoda" of SS.COM is questioning it we should step away and let "The Force" do the business!!

I always pictured him as more of an Obi Wan Kenobi (circa New Hope) type, all wise and old and that (no offence tvoc mate).

If York sign him I will be bloody delighted.

I, too, did not understand the '50th graduate' claim. In 2004 Carl Ablett was described as the 100th player to play for Leeds in SL and the 40th from the club's academy. There have been many more than 10 since - I make Singleton the 20th since Ablett, so 60th overall. Then, reading the claim, again, I wondered if it was 50th to make their debut in SL, thereby excluding those academy products who made their debuts in the Centenary season or before (Cummins, Morley, Fozzard et al.). If so, I make Singleton the 49th graduate unless someone counts as an academy product who I've not counted (e.g. Ambler, Pitts, Amor, Coady etc.). As our expert statistician, tvoc, I thought you'd be the man to know!

Im sure elsewhere it mentioned that he was the 50th in the SL era to graduate from the academy.

None taken. Wish I had that much hair.

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If there was an official list published it would be interesting to see who has missed out from the following =#0000BF60 names:

Francis Cummins, Marvin Golden, Graham Holroyd, Mick Shaw, Adrian Morley, Nick Fozzard, Phil Hassan, Jamie Field, Marcus Vassilakopoulos, Matt Schultz, David Gibbons, Anthony Gibbons, Paddy Handley, Paul Gleadhill, Terry Newton, Leroy Rivett, Lee Maher, Gavin Brown, Adam Hughes, James Leatham, Kevin Sinfield, Garreth Carvell, Chev Walker, Dave Wrench, Danny Ward, Chris Chapman, Jamie Jones-Buchanan, Andy Speak, Mark Calderwood, Matt Diskin, Gareth Morton, Jon Liddell, Jason Netherton, Rob Burrow, Danny McGuire, Andy Kirke, Ryan Bailey, Richard Mathers, Nick Scruton, Jonny Hepworth, Carl Ablett, Lee Smith, Scott Murrell, Ashley Gibson, Danny Williams, Jordan Tansey, Ryan Hall, Michael Ratu, Luke Burgess, Danny Allan, Ben Kaye, Michael Haley, Kallum Watkins, Joe Chandler, Ben Jones-Bishop, Paul McShane, Dane Manning, Tom Bush, Chris Clarkson and Brad Singleton.

All the above have played at 1st grade level for Leeds during the SL Era having, by my reckoning at least, graduated through the Headingley Junior grades. A defined criteria is probably needed.

Just out of interest when did Jonny Hepworth make his first team debut - I can't remember him ever hitting the first team.

tvoc, can you redo the list with those who have made their debut for Leeds during the SL years in red?

That's interesting when you read the reply I was working on as you posted.



I'm with you there also but the club stating Anthony Gibbons was the first has thrown me off as he played 8 times in the Centenary season. If he's in then I guess that opens the door for the others you mention - assuming the definition of 'Academy' is consistent throughout that period.

All 60 players on the list have made at least one appearance in the SL Reg Rounds so it's not as if I can lose any for only making an appearance in a Challenge Cup fixture (although I would still count that personally anyway.)



If only ......

Hopefully they'll be an explanation somewhere down the track although, as with the unique numbers, it could be another closely guarded secret.

hepworth played at wigan that much i do remember. Not sure when, around 2000 maybe?

Like it, although just to be awkward I'll highlight in red those who made their 1st Grade debuts before the SL Era:

=#FF0000Francis Cummins, =#FF0000Marvin Golden, =#FF0000Graham Holroyd, =#FF0000Mick Shaw, =#FF0000Adrian Morley, =#FF0000Nick Fozzard, =#FF0000Phil Hassan, =#FF0000Jamie Field, =#FF0000Marcus Vassilakopoulos, =#FF0000Matt Schultz, =#FF0000David Gibbons,=#FF0000 Anthony Gibbons, =#FF0000Paddy Handley, Paul Gleadhill, Terry Newton, Leroy Rivett, =#FF0000Lee Maher, Gavin Brown, Adam Hughes, =#FF0000James Leatham, Kevin Sinfield, Garreth Carvell, Chev Walker, Dave Wrench, Danny Ward, Chris Chapman, Jamie Jones-Buchanan, Andy Speak, Mark Calderwood, Matt Diskin, Gareth Morton, Jon Liddell, Jason Netherton, Rob Burrow, Danny McGuire, Andy Kirke, Ryan Bailey, Richard Mathers, Nick Scruton, Jonny Hepworth, Carl Ablett, Lee Smith, Scott Murrell, Ashley Gibson, Danny Williams, Jordan Tansey, Ryan Hall, Michael Ratu, Luke Burgess, Danny Allan, Ben Kaye, Michael Haley, Kallum Watkins, Joe Chandler, Ben Jones-Bishop, Paul McShane, Dane Manning, Tom Bush, Chris Clarkson and Brad Singleton

Looks like that would remove 15 names from the 60 and crucially (as stated previously) that includes the player credited with starting the group (Anthony Gibbons.)

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Not at 1st grade level.



Jonny Hepworth had the shortest Leeds 1st grade playing career I've ever known (even shorter than Alan Rathbone's)

He came on as a sub for the final two minutes on the 9th May 2003 V London Broncos at Griffin Park to see out the Leeds win (14-32)

I'm not good at counting but I think 15 of them have represented GB/England.

Like you, I imagine, off the top of the head.

Cummins, Morley, Newton, Sinfield, Carvell, Walker, Ward, Jones-Buchanan, Calderwood, Diskin, Burrow, McGuire, Bailey, Smith, Hall.

Do we agree?

Almost. I missed Carvell but included Fozzard.

Nope.

I counted 17.

Never mind.

Is it my 15 + 2 others?