No wonder you rarely post. What a load of rubbish,obviously you have a soft spot for Keith so I dont want to upset you too much.Keith should never have played at international level he is way out of his depth.If you watch most of his performances against the Aussies you can see that they spot him all the time. The tries that Aussies have scored through him being targeted as the weak link far outweigh the occasional one he has scored against them.FACT.Sorry!!!

That's an unreasonable assessment of Keith Senior because he is arguably the best British centre of his SL generation. The fact that he was out of his depth at international level against the Aussies and Kiwis on numerous occasions is not, and can never amount to a justifiable case for his exclusion from international selection because he was (and still is) one of the best British centres we've got. The alternative would have been to select players ahead of him who were inferior.

The fact that Keith Senior has been the best and most consistently performing British centre for the past decade or more is a sad indictment of the entire SL-era. As a player, he is not alone given that we haven't produced a single, genuine, consistently performing world class player since the switch to SL.

Do you think that Keith would have shown up better internationally if he was surrounded by players of better quality.

No, because he'd have been targeted more often as the more obvious weak link.

He's having a shocker against Bradford... Past it

Gotta admit he was out of position for several of the tries ....

never once competed for a high ball either. Maybe a season too far at centre, and should be moved into the 2nd row

He's never been noted for competing for the high ball. It's not, and never has been part of his armoury. He's always had a tendency to take no responsibility but instead turn his back on the high ball and leave it for someone else to deal with... utilising himself as a blocker instead to obstruct opposition players.

Well, perhaps he should have been blocking somewhere close to the tryline and not 5 yards inside play.

Given that he was blowing hot and cold last season, but was unfortunate to get binned, I was amazed when McD took Pitts off and left Senior in the centre with Delaney on the bench. Should have been Watkins and Delaney at centre, with Squeef in the 2nd row.

I'm not disputing that. These deficiencies in his game have always been there.

Thought Senior was lucky to be only penalised by Ganson. Ganson has a much stronger attitudes to seniors if I remember correctly.

Indeed ... One of the big reasons why Squeef was owned by Henry Faa'filli at Huddersfield for New Zealand in (IIRC) 2004

I don't think he was on his own with inept defence from kicks we resembled the chuckle brothers in defence "to me to you"!

Keith looked very out of position today, possibly a season too far for me.

Kyle Briggs got the better of him time and time again today.

I love Senior but today he was thoroughly woeful. Numerous knock ons, dodgy in defence, the high ball shenanigans. Only good thing i can remember is the quick no look pass to hall for our 2nd try.

My back line would be:

Webb, Hall, Smith, Watkins, BJB, McGuire, Burrow (obviously Sinny in for Mags at this point)

Senior just had a bad game today and he will hit back. His ability to create good passes will be a joy to watch throughout the season hopefully. You only have to look at Cliff Lyons with the Legends of Origin match to see that true greats never really lose it.

senior is not, and never was, in lyons class.

Executing good passes has never been a consistent part of Senior's armoury either. He's average in that department at best, and when he's below average his pass often ends up on the deck or in Row Z.

Senior's main attributes throughout his career have been:

1. His injury-free record and consistent availability for selection.
2. His power in attack.
3. His pace in attack.

He's primarily a strong biff and barge merchant. He's not, and never has been a particularly skilful player in any department.

My God, I'm in shock. A complete post of Jeff's that I agreed with....

me too. see jeff, you can do it if you really try

I agree that for most of his career he was a biff and barge merchant and very good at it. However in the last few years I have seen Keith Senior develop a fantastic partnership with Ryan Hall. Unless I’m just imagining that Keith Senior was the last hands in the passages of play before Hall has gone in for a try, I think that Keith has actually got better since retiring from international rugby.

I do know that opta keep stats and will be finding the stats sometime through this week to back my point up. At the moment I’m on row Z and it’ll take a Keith Senior pass into it to wake me up

Over the years I have watched Senior I know he has been the heart of the best Leeds wing Partnership and whenever this has been in doubt he has switched wings to help cover the weakness! Great Pro and can I bid for his 400 shirt?

You have to hope he is not going play that much this season - his defense has always been suspect even in his prime today it would have been funny had it not been so bad.

What's the betting he gets another contract extension about June

Plus ca change?

I'm sure in that case you'll have no trouble pointing out all those breaks Bradford made down their right hand side against Senior's appalling defence?