I didn't say he is past it - just past his best, that is all.

P...lease.

Farrell got the sympathy vote that season for playing on with a broken nose in one game against Leeds IIRC and there were about3 or 4 more players more deserving.
McGuire, Vianakolo, Sinfield, Diskin, thats off the top of my head.

Don't agree - Farrell was awesome that year, including playing prop at times.

Should have been Disko - comfortably!

It was Diskin who broke Farrells nose, then had another go when Farrell came back onto the field.

That only furthers Diskin's case

At least they got it right this year.

And as for the players voting, well I have a view on that. Too much club bias, too much personal bias. It's not a popularity contest, making players responsible for voting adds a huge element of that. Independent adjudication would be my choice.

Who is going to be the independent adjudicator?

The press lost their credibility the year they gave it to Roby. I actually heard Hemmings on a radio interview saying they actively tried to give it to a British lad if they could.

TBH, I've lost all respect and interest for the award lately. Diskin, McGuire or Vainikolo should have won it in 2004 as should Sinfield in 2005.

One small flaw in my argument.

Now then Cynical, I agree with you it's completely unfair and it should be only the Leeds players who are allowed to vote

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Now a proper injustice without bias is :- Kieran Cunningham has never won it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That because he's usually in the treatment room for weeks on end. He can have the man of aluminium and digestive biscuits award.

wouldnt teh fact that every player in every team getting to vote sort of correct for a bias, or at least dilute it a little?

it certainly makes it more of a popularity contest

so Ryan Bailey wouldnt be given a chance then?

450 Games+ for a guy who lives in the treatment room is some going

I think the award became further meaningless last year when they gave it to Hodgson who is the least deserving "man of steel" I can recall in years.

and barrett before him

Roby you mean

You can't vote for a player from your own club, so as to avoid club bias.

Players are professional enough that they know who has been the best player they've come up against, the huge majority aren't going to just vote for who their friends are.

Surely having every player vote is better than a panel of journalists decide.



Absolutely, said pretty much the same a few days ago. The reason you have been so strong and at the top for so long was because you had a collective group of quality players, and very rarely relied on 1 person.

Still funny how the 'fulcrum argument' only appears to apply to the Leeds club though.

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The last time Leeds really relied on one person was in Iestyn Harris' days - and he won Man Of Steel.

The time before that was Garry Schofield - and he won Man Of Steel also.

For those who crave Man Of Steel recognition (for Leeds - I couldn't care less personally) perhaps that's the route to go down again?

indeed,got them the wrong way around. not easy with identical twins

How unsurprising you were the first to chomp down and gobble on the bait.

Now toddle on soldier, theres a good chap.

1-0.

I don't crave it and I don't go to bed crying that we haven't been recognised but it's still worthy of comment that it seems wrong that our lads haven't been recognised.

Deserved winner for me...he's been consistent over the season scored a sackfull of points and has been one of Wigans stand out players...plus neither of the Tomkins got the award which is an added bonus.
I also think that in 2004 and last year the gong could have gone to a Leeds player as we too had a standout season being top of the league and SL champions; for 2007 & 2008 Saints were the best team throughout the season but unfortunately for them came up short when they met us in the GF. (The scoreline in 2007 was a surprise to most people)

I think it lost all credibility when it was inexplicably given to Roby.