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| Quote ="RIGSBY"when youve achieved all the success weve achieved in super league then you can call yourself st,helens....
you may have beaten us in 3 grand finals..(which im sure will come up again as per-usual)..but compare our challenge cup success to yours how many times have you won it compared to saints?..and why does st,helens always seem to come up in a game which had nothing to with us?
and just for the record.its a good job silverwood felt a bit sorry for you and let that mile forward pass go to let you score..otherwise you'd have been nilled..
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| I went to wembley yesterday. You can accept your team been beaten by a better team but where was the desire to try to win the game? Was it me or did the players look dis-interested???? Its the challenge cup final, if you cant get up for a game like that , then when can you???? Also why o why did the leeds fans do the wigan walk????? We should support the team win,lose or draw (know a lot of people were upset with the performance but to leave in droves like that)
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"You know I'm just re-watching the game on Sky+ and we we're pretty dawn good in the first ten mins. Real outstanding efforts in defence. Shame it didn't continue. Bailey made the mistake in trying to run over the top of Mathers in the first few mins. All he had to do dive low and it was a try. Ah well.'"
Is she a classy bird this - PRETTY DAWN GOOD ???
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| Quote ="kevbanham"I went to wembley yesterday. You can accept your team been beaten by a better team but where was the desire to try to win the game? Was it me or did the players look dis-interested???? Its the challenge cup final, if you cant get up for a game like that , then when can you???? Also why o why did the leeds fans do the wigan walk????? We should support the team win,lose or draw (know a lot of people were upset with the performance but to leave in droves like that)'"
I went for pee with 20 mins to play and the walk had started then. Had wires lost I would have stayed to the end and applauded both teams. Walking out with 20 to play at wembley is pretty poor IMO. Maybe Leeds fans thought they would win easily and could not face the fact that it was roles reversed?
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| Quote ="BigM"Shocking and embarrassing, end of !!!!!!'"
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| Quote ="spikerhino"Is she a classy bird this - PRETTY DAWN GOOD ???'"
Watching the game again??? Are you mad???? Bad enough first time round - lol
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| I was so upset with our defending. They totally let me down yesterday did Leeds. I was f-cking gutted. Don't give a sh-t now though.
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| Quote ="BigM"Shocking and embarrassing, end of !!!!!!'"
Nah. I thought it was a fantastic game!
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| I think Wolves victory came even before kick-off. TS had obvioulsy decided that this game was going to be won on defense and hence the exclusion of Myler. This first 10-15 minutes were awesome and set the tone for the remainder of the game. As the game went on, the leeds attack looked short of ideas as Wolves snuffed out each attempt to breach the try line.
As much as people have mentioned missed offisde, missed forward passes, forward passes given that werent the key defining moments in the game can be summed up by "mathers holds him up", "outstanding defence on the line from Wolves", "superb tackle into touch by Westwood".
Against Saints and Wigan in previous round Leeds always looked in the game, yesterday it was all over with 20 minutes left (which i think is about the time that some leeds fans did as well )
(As far as the idiots in the corner. Drunken idiots who got so bored with who they came to watch they started looking for a fight!. Not going to bless them with the term "supporter" because they were in no way representation of all the true supporters at Wembley yesterday)
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| We were Shiote! Simple as.
I take nothing away from Warrington who turned up and played a full 80 minutes of competitive excellent rugby, with Lee Briers justifiably a worthy Lance Todd winner.
Our lot could have stayed on the coach and gone off on a sightseeing tour!
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Is yesterday the result of having a "get stuck in, up and at em" type coach, who can motivate players for some games but doesn't know how to produce a game plan, coming up against a technical coach who does all the detail and makes specific plans for specific players?
We were comprehensively outplayed, but even more comprehensively outcoached. All the same issues we have had for the last 3 years were evident, we gave away penalties, dropped far too much ball, and didn't have enough go forward or depth to our attack when we had the ball.
Very disappointing performance from a poorly coached team IMHO.
Well done Warrington, by far the better team, and thoroughly deserved to win.'"
Absolutely spot on analysis. In terms of standard and style of play, league position and number of points conceded it looks like this will be the worst season for 10 years, since the days of Dean Lance. What makes it far worse is that we have far better players (on paper) than we had then. I only hope that Brian McDermott can encourage McLennan to have a game plan, any sort of game plan, but I have doubts.
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| At least I can get back on the Dubai express on Tuesday and never have to think about soft cockery of the highest order from Ian Kirke in a CC Final, and don't get me started on the Gold Coast Titan plodder, I ain't surprised we have failed on the International stage with shat like that stealing a living in SL.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Nah. I thought it was a fantastic game!'"
Taking solace in other teams misfortune now. Oh dear, has it really come to that?
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| Quote ="GCM1980"Taking solace in other teams misfortune now. Oh dear, has it really come to that?
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Oh, not solace. I was very happy. Warrington have played the best rugby league all season and so deserve to be winners. I thoroughly enjoyed their display of quality rugby and that it was at your expense made it extra special.
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| Our attacking play was at times, god awful. For most of the season it's been this way, we've played the same attacking stucture and the same plays for 3 or 4 seasons now, and it's been found out. For most of the year we've relied on individual brilliance to score points, when these individuals have an off day we're screwed!
Other than that, the apparent lack of desire got to me. Most people dreamt of playing in a challenge cup final as a kid I'm sure, they get there and seemingly don't care. I didn't get it, if you can't get pumped for a game like that then why bother?!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Nah. I thought it was a fantastic game!'"
Did u get ur money bk from the hotele and ticket u booked pre-semi btw
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| Quote ="Abbott for England"Our attacking play was at times, god awful. For most of the season it's been this way, we've played the same attacking stucture and the same plays for 3 or 4 seasons now, and it's been found out. For most of the year we've relied on individual brilliance to score points, when these individuals have an off day we're screwed!
Other than that, the apparent lack of desire got to me. Most people dreamt of playing in a challenge cup final as a kid I'm sure, they get there and seemingly don't care. I didn't get it, if you can't get pumped for a game like that then why bother?!'"
TS knew what Leeds were bringing to the party, had a game plan in detail to expose Leeds weak errors and the players delivered it to the letter, compare that to the Leeds plan (if there was actually a plan other than turning up), it was in essence a coaching masterclass.
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| Quote ="Andy R"
Eastwood made an impact in places and Delaney was strong all day.'"
Is that the same Brett Delaney that's blown hot & cold all season and who's defensive effort (i.e falling on his backside in a comedy fashion) was the route to Wire's first try ?
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| Wonder if the Pakistan Cricket fixer had anything to do with our display yesterday?!
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| All season we've been looking at the stats after each match, and saying "Jesus Christ, what would Leeds do without Peacock?". Now we've got our answer.
Kirke, Ablett, Clarkson, JJB are currently all pretty mediocre players (Clarkson will get better, JJB has got worse), but can all do a job for the team if they've got better forwards around them. What they can't do is do a decent job against a good team when *all four* are playing. That just makes a mediocre pack. Do Ali and JP offer more, and allow the players around them to play better? Of course they do. They're proven as our top-two big-game forwards. Peacock was a big loss, but where was Ali?
The non-performance of the backs and even Sinfield has to be put in context of mediocrity of the front five. McGuire, Burrow, Senior *tried* to create things, but with no go-forward or speed at the pay-the-ball to create space. I thought Burrow was very good in a way, obviously targetted on defence but not letting anyone down there. Smith also turned up ok.
Warrington were excellent, and Monaghan, Westwood and maybe Mathers could have challenged Briers for MoM. Even if Leeds were playing well, there would have been no stopping the two tries scored from Lee Briers kicks (well, we could have not given them field position), especially the second one which was outstanding skill by Hicks.
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| First of all fair play to Warrington who did a great job on us yesterday. They just did the basics so well from Briers through to a dominant pack. Tony Smith tactically was well ahead of Bluey on the day.
I thought is was over when Keith kicked for field position. Not knocking him though as he showed on well on attack. Rather this highlighted our lack of tactical nouse on the day. Once the Warrington pack got on top it was always going to tough.
Gutted with the result as was hoping for a closer game. I can take defeat as have been to many CC semi's and finals in 80's and 90's, but was shocked how we could not get back in the game on Sat.
Was impressed with Wembley. Lot better organised than the old wembley with better leg room and view, and no waiting at the toilets on bars. Long coach journey back though after that!
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| Lacking structure, incohesive, poor defence, missing key players, poor decisions and a little bit of bad luck. It pretty much summed up our season.
Well played Warrington and congratulations to Tony Smith, as a team they were very deserving winners of the trophy.
As for Leeds, it is very difficult to see anything but, the season ending with a whimper.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Oh, not solace. I was very happy. Warrington have played the best rugby league all season and so deserve to be winners. I thoroughly enjoyed their display of quality rugby and that it was at your expense made it extra special.'"
You were doing so well until you proved my point with your last comment.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Is yesterday the result of having a "get stuck in, up and at em" type coach, who can motivate players for some games but doesn't know how to produce a game plan, coming up against a technical coach who does all the detail and makes specific plans for specific players?
We were comprehensively outplayed, but even more comprehensively outcoached. All the same issues we have had for the last 3 years were evident, we gave away penalties, dropped far too much ball, and didn't have enough go forward or depth to our attack when we had the ball.
Very disappointing performance from a poorly coached team IMHO.
Well done Warrington, by far the better team, and thoroughly deserved to win.'"
Agree completely. In the second half yesterday as Warrington were off-loading, moving the ball wide, playing with skill and flair, I thought: "I remember when we played like this - it was when we were coached by Tony Smith!".
We were out-played and out-coached completely and the scoreline flattered us - Smith's try should never have stood for a start. I fear that several Leeds players' careers are going/have gone backwards and are skill levels have deteriorated. McClennan's forte is supposed to be motivating but that seemed missing too yesterday. Omitting Lauitiiti was a terrible decision - I feared as much when I read the rumour on this board on Friday. We have two forwards (Eastwood and Lauitiiti) who can bust holes and create chances: one was needed as an interchange prop so the other had to play out wide. I acknowledge Clarkson's form and potential but to have him and especially Ablett (who has missed the last three matches) above Lauitiiti was a poor call. It left us with three grafting second-rowers but no-one who could make something happen. As poor a decision, if not worse, than omitting McDermott from the 2005 cup final.
Frankly, winning the cup or Grand Final would have put glossy papers over the cracks of what has been a disappointing season and we can't use injuries as the excuse for all the mediocre displays. You could count all the times we've played well for even 60 minutes of a game on the fingers of one hand - and we've played 32 matches. If we win on Saturday we'll finish 4th - our lowest position since 2002 (also 4th); if we lose (and Huddersfield beat Catalans which I would expect them to) we'll finish 6th - our lowest since the dire 1996 season (10th). And all this with what Hetherington rightly described as the best squad we've ever had.
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| Quote ="BigM"Did u get ur money bk from the hotele and ticket u booked pre-semi btw
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