Actually 4, but 2 sounds better

That's exactly what we think when we get your mate!!!

He made a high tackle. It wasn't even Ganson who made the ruling, it was the TJ who came on the field who made the call.



Ablett was practically over the line straight away so there wasn't a time to call held. Leeds were clearly driving after the call.



IMO the Wakey player cheated that out of the ref. I don't blame Ganson for that. In real time with no replays you've just got to rule on what you see.



Just one of those things and a possible backlash against the Hull game where we were on the other side of the decisions.

Actually we give away more penalties for laying on than any other team in the league. We also give away the most penalties for being off side too.

To me this indicates coaching instructions that are being used, presumably, to give our defense an edge. PLayers might only be doing what they're told. Squads small, defense is where most energy is used so saving energy over the long run would be a very good thing.

Interesting that Brian said something about the team being no where near trying hitting top gear for the run up to the end of the season.

Dont worry, Saintsfan has an obsession with us at the moment. He was on the cods board last sat after the game shouting the same old rubbish (from a neutral point of view of course) to any dull willing to listen (There were plenty of them)!

Well said that man



The ref really was not that bad, Wakey played well and deserved to be in the lead with a few minutes to go.... but you fought back and won, it was a bad performance by you but so what, it happens to us all during a season. There is not many teams capable of coming back and winning games like that, be grateful that you are one.

You showed why you are a good team tonight focus on that and not the ref.
Congrats it was a great game.

The problem with Leeds indiscipline is pretty simple.

As others have mentioned we try getting penalties by being clever. As we dont get these the players get frustrated as the refs arent always playing to the letter of the law.

We then get penalties against us which the players feel aggreived by. They then get more aggitated. As this continues the players get really aggreived and the discipline goes down hill.

Its a continuous circle that in a game is very hard to break

From what I've seen I'd agree with most of that only that I'd see the penalties conceded as being niggly or petulant and in response to the side feeling/being under more pressure than they feel they should be.

I see you're quiet on the injustices of Sideshow Bob's knocked on try awarded by a blind video official ....

Should it be possible to get sin-binned without conceding a penalty?

It's not the first instance I can remember of someone getting sin-binned for stopping a quick tap on the 20. Where would the penalty be awarded from: the place where the interference took place or from the 20 yard line?

Stacey Jones is one I remember in the cup semi against the Pies. I can't remember if it was a penalty or not though - my memory isn't that good.

No it shouldn't, but at the moment it is. Correct interpretation of the rules by Ganson there, but I think the rule itself is wrong.

I seem to remember a game at Warrington years ago when we got a player binned in similar circumstances and play re-started with a tap then as well.

Happened to mcguire away at salford aswell IIRC.

The ball is not in play, so a penalty cannot be awarded. The only time you can award a penalty while the ball is dead is for an offence in the act of scoring IIRC.

I appreciate that, I just think it's wrong. Would the same happen if a player smacked an opponent during the rush for the re-start? I don't know the answer by the way, just asking the question.

The ball wasn't in play when a scrum was awarded, which was turned ito a penalty for backchat in the first half. Can't see any difference between backchat and professional gamesmanship to give differing outcomes.

I've seen people dismissed or sin-binned for dissent after the hooter has gone at half-time in games, but a penalty isn't awarded on the restart.

Personally I'd say dissent was the more serious offence and more deserving of a penalty, but each to their own.

I'd agree with LP however that it's an anomaly that needs taking out of the laws to make a referee's life easier.

Yes I think it should, and can think or some other times when this could happen also.

Ohh, I have thought of an interesting one.

If you saw the Northern Rail final last night which was excellently ref'ed in my opinion, we saw this, if you sin-bin two players for fighting you can't give both sides a penalty can you, but you could choose to not give one at all, or give one to one side only.

After the umpteeth unforced fumble could be a good spot.

I've seen penalties given for interfering with a player trying to get in position to take a quick 22 tap. I've also seen penalties given for throwing/rolling away the ball to delay a restart. I therefore think that a penalty could have been given in this situation but wasn't. (IIRC in both cases I saw the perpetrator wasn't sin-binned).

But he got that sinbinning wrong. The guy he sinbinned for Barrow did everything that you would want from a player. Took the punches like a man and did not react.

The aggressor quite rightly got sinbinned, and a team mate of the Barrow player should have got sinbinned for running in to defend, along with another Widnes player for running to have a go at that one.

This should have been tvoc's quote - here!








Ok, you got me, I did anaylise the previous weekend's games BTW and decided to not post the result because I have changed my mind... it stop's the game too many times and I think that makes it a rubbish idea now!

Here's the thing, refs might be inconsistent but they are not biased, not in real life 99.9% of the time. They tend to be roughly the same character for both teams. Odd decisions might be incorrect, these can go for you or against you. When you're getting caned 10-1 or similar in the penalty count YOU NEED TO STOP GIVING AWAY PENALTIES. We don't seem to be learning quickly enough. On Friday the players' collective hard-on for stealing the ball out of the tackle was a particular problem.

Additinally, however frustrated you may get with a referee, there is no excuse for dissent from a professional player. It isn't tolerated when I play at pub league level and it certainly shouldn't be at this level.