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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I guess what I meant is that yes, the club have the option of disciplining the player for circumstances that were outside of their control but they have no obligation to do so.
The law is there to punish people for criminal offences. If the club want to take further action - cool. If they don't - cool.
Professional comparisons are a little bit twee. If you hold an accreditation (for example I'm a chartered accountant) and get convicted of a crime, it casts doubt on your character and trustworthiness to the extent that you may not be considered suitable to fulfil your role. The same sort of level of trust and duty of care don't apply to RL players.
Sure I wouldn't want Leon Pryce as my accountant/lawyer/local policeman. Good job he's a RL player and a bloody good one.'"
I don't disagree with you as such. I was simply pointing out that the situation isn't quite as straight forward as you initial post suggested. I did also concede at the time that the comparison with other professional registrations wasn't entirely valid, but you must concede that there are parallels.
I suppose, with no particular reference to this case, or that of Cockayne, Bailey/Walker, Raynor or anyone else, the question is does the RFL, who oversee the registation in this particular profession, consider that part of the terms of that registration is connected to the role in the community and as an ambassador of the profession. If not, as you say, cool. I think it should be looked at though. Not in regard to Pryce or Reardon whose cases are now in the past from my point of view, but as a matter of policy for future reference.
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"Non rugby leaguie followers would have heard that and would be put off Rugby League by it.'"
Would they?
I don't recall Lee Hughes doing bird for actually killing someone putting too many people off going to watch football.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Should a governing body be able to decide on behalf of a commercial organisation who they can and cannot employ based on their conduct outside the workplace?
If I pass my ATT exams and subsequently get convicted of a violent criminal offence, should the ATT or CIOT be able to prevent me from earning a living in tax for as long as they think is appropriate?'"
An intersting point Andy. Perhaps any such voilent conduct would not reflect badly on the AAT governing body, but it would on the Rugby Football League who are in the media's eye at all times.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Should a governing body be able to decide on behalf of a commercial organisation who they can and cannot employ based on their conduct outside the workplace?
If I pass my ATT exams and subsequently get convicted of a violent criminal offence, should the ATT or CIOT be able to prevent me from earning a living in tax for as long as they think is appropriate?'"
A question for each profession to consider on it's own merits. The GMC, for example is certainly empowered to take those steps, and would likely be minded to do so. Likewise the GTCE. As pointed out above by Mr TheVee, there may be more pressing reasons for them to do so than is the case for a RL player. Hence the RFL should make it's own decisions about what does and does not constitute bringing the profession into disrepute, and what penalties members found to have done so should face.
Accountancy etc is a little outside my experience. Are the ATT allowed to withdraw your registration if your conviction was relevant to your work, for example a conviction for fraud?
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Are the ATT allowed to withdraw your registration if your conviction was relevant to your work, for example a conviction for fraud?'"
They are, indeed withdrawal is mandatory for situations such as bankruptcy or entering an IVA for example.
Not being an ATT member however doesn't stop me from working in tax in the same way as a GMC ban stops a doctor from practicising or banning someone from RL prevents them from earning their living in that way.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I'd much rather Leon Pryce was coaching my kid to play RL than scrubbing walls.'"
The trouble with that line of argument is that the culprit would also rather coach your kid to play RL than scrub walls. There has to be some punitive element to the punishment surely?
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| Quote ="El Diablo"The trouble with that line of argument is that the culprit would also rather coach your kid to play RL than scrub walls. There has to be some punitive element to the punishment surely?'"
I would suggest that "Community Service" should force people to do work that best serves the community in question.
Not sure having Pryce scrubbing walls is particularly valuable for the community. Getting him involved with awareness/coaching schemes with kids who look up to him is likely to have far more impact than a cleaner wall somewhere.
If the Judge wanted a stronger punishment than unpaid work serving the community, he wouldn't have given him community service.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Should a governing body be able to decide on behalf of a commercial organisation who they can and cannot employ '" Salary caps and overseas quotas?
The Solicitors Regulation Authority can ban anyone working in a solicitors firm based upon criminal activities.
Governing bodies in all professions and careers can and do exactly that.
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| Quote ="G1"Salary caps and overseas quotas?'"
Don't dictate whether any particular individual can be employed, just restrict the amount their employer is allowed to spend and who they can spend it on.
Point taken about the SRA, I had forgotten they can do exactly that. Is "character" as important in a rugby player as it is in a solicitor or doctor however?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Don't dictate whether any particular individual can be employed, just restrict the amount their employer is allowed to spend and who they can spend it on.
Point taken about the SRA, I had forgotten they can do exactly that. Is "character" as important in a rugby player as it is in a solicitor or doctor however?'" No, but then there's the public eye and "role models"element I guess.
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| Quote ="rpw"www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/rugby-league-headlines/PETER-SMITH-Bad-boys-are.5219088.jp
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Why, he's an idiot.
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| Quote ="Richie Ramrod"Why, he's an idiot.'"
as are you
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| I'll wager 1 thing, i bet the next super league players who commit an offence anything like that of Reardon & Pryce's (especially Pryce!), I bet they get a longer than expected jail sentence to make up for the total farcical decision by this Bradford judge.
An assault is an assault whether Mr. Nobody or Mr. Somebody in my opinion
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| Quote ="Super Scotty"I'll wager 1 thing, i bet the next super league players who commit an offence anything like that of Reardon & Pryce's (especially Pryce!), I bet they get a longer than expected jail sentence to make up for the total farcical decision by this Bradford judge.
An assault is an assault whether Mr. Nobody or Mr. Somebody in my opinion'"
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| Quote ="Super Scotty"I'll wager 1 thing '"
Do you like to like to loose money?
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| Quote ="Super Scotty"I'll wager 1 thing, i bet the next super league players who commit an offence anything like that of Reardon & Pryce's (especially Pryce!), I bet they get a longer than expected jail sentence to make up for the total farcical decision by this Bradford judge.
An assault is an assault whether Mr. Nobody or Mr. Somebody in my opinion'"
Congratulations - you win the newly created "Most Retarded Post of the Year" award.
What sport someone plays and at what level plays a massive part in the sentencing guidelines used by judges, oh yes.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Do you like to like to loose money?'" That's the kind of money my wife spends. Well she spends loosely anyway.
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| Quote ="G1"That's the kind of money my wife spends. Well she spends loosely anyway.'"
Glad you made some sense out of what I typed there, I was struggling.
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| Quote ="tvoc"Glad you made some sense out of what I typed there, I was struggling.'" Having been a member of these forums for longer than I really ought to have understanding gibberish has become second nature.
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| Peter Smith should concentrate on being what he is a very poor journalist instead of being the Rhinos poodle.His total bias makes anything he writes not worth reading,unless of course you are reading with blinkers on.
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| Quote ="Lord Magoon"Peter Smith should concentrate on being what he is a very poor journalist instead of being the Rhinos poodle.His total bias makes anything he writes not worth reading,unless of course you are reading with blinkers on.'" He should add illustrations to his articles for you.
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| Quote ="G1"He should add illustrations to his articles for you.'"
There was yesterday.But why just for me?I like looking at pictures especially of mice.
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| Quote ="G1"He should add illustrations to his articles for you.'"
I notice the illustration you have on you Avatar is Cliff Lyons a man with a moustache. Have you a collection of such illustrations?
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| Quote ="Lord Magoon"I notice the illustration you have on you Avatar is Cliff Lyons a man with a moustache. Have you a collection of such illustrations?'" No.
But I've a wonderful collection of homo-erotic posters if you'd like.
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| Quote ="G1"No.
But I've a wonderful collection of homo-erotic posters if you'd like.'"
No thanks wouldn't like to deprive you of what seems like a hobby of yours. Anyway my home is erotic enough.
(have you any erotic pictures of mice especially lady mice with piercings then I would be interested)
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