So now you do care.

If last season was only about a few injuries you might have had have a point.
Also, you don't "set the tone" with a team missing 13 players.

I care about what Leeds do the comparisons are rellevant wrt performances & the constant reminders about injuries & predominantly that was the consistent "excuse" once the season was well underway.
As for "setting the tone" that isn't selection based it's performance intent shape etc & i didn't use it the Coach did

Coach talks up a pre-season friendly to help sell tickets... Shocker.

As for comparisons, if Leeds had lost 50-10 to Leigh then this forum would be in meltdown. Lead by the usual cheerleaders with you in full support.

1st & foremost performance is & always will be the most important factor for me the rest follows on.
Lets also get one thing clear don't drag me into yer petty name calling tit for tat "cheerleaders" etc 30+ page BS.
I have my own opinions & make them on what i see & hear from attending games.
If coulda woulda shoulda etc aren't rellevant the reaction was to a pathetic rudderless 80 minutes of RL after a p!$$ poor year & as for your sarcastic response it doesn't alter the fact he bigged up that game signalling an intent to his team making a point it backfired & he then backtracked those are facts.
We (imo) more than any team have the most improvement & ground to make up from last year so what Leigh/Wigan do in pre-season really isn't a comparison worth making.
What WE DO as a Club/Team is & always will be the most important in any debate comparisons can & will be made but are only really rellevant wrt injuries similar situations & the resulting performances simple as that or do you struggle with context?

Ooh, another strawman construction duly knocked down.

Yay!

Are you OK, do you need a tissue William?

It was a meaningless pre-season friendly with 13 first team players missing. What part of that is so difficult to understand?
Who cares what the coach or the club said pre-game? They were trying to sell tickets.

McDermott's said we're going for all 3 trophies this year, will you be stamping your feet if we don't win them all?

I stand by everything I said re the 50-10 (did Wigan have 13 first team players out?) and the silence on that from some posters is deafening!
I've not looked but I doubt there'll be a 20+ page thread on the Wigan board about the defeat.... and rightly so.

As for the cheerleaders comment, I wasn't dragging you into anything.... You've always been and still remain one of the biggest whingers on this board.

Whingers?


Hmmm im pretty certain calling a turd a turd is far from whinging but then you reverting to pathetic name calling because it doesn't match your all is "warm & fuzzy at Headingley & they can do no wrong approach" i shouldn't be surprised.


If you get out of those nappies & want to talk with the grown ups bring something rellevant to the table other than name calling ,dodgy bets & taking everything out of context especially wrt games YOU DIDN'T EVEN ATTEND!!

thought his mate tweedle dee would have backed him up by now

I think everyone is of the same opinion of him. Not sure fair to label anyone as his mate

The reason I was dissapointed Boxing Day was that every player that played is part of our first team squad, that means they are likely to get called upon at some point this season, and very few came away having impressed when given the opportunity.

Obviously felt a lot better after the KR game, but given the increased injuries every team seems to suffer, I'd have liked to see more from the squad players both, in terms of quality and ability to play to structure.

Call a turd a turd by all means, but let's at least wait until there's some meaningful games or something to actually bloody moan about. Complaining about a team, missing 13 players, losing a completely meaningless pre-pre-season friendly game on Boxing Day isn't something to moan about. And no I didn't go, I didn't fancy paying £20 to watch a training session, i've got much better things to do and to spend my money on at Xmas.

Everything's far from warm & fuzzy at Headingley, or it wasn't last season anyway. I'm not sure where you get the idea that that's what I think, I can only imagine you read too much into what some other posters say on here which is exactly what I said earlier.... Cheers for proving my point.

And sorry you're upset about being called a whinger but you know, if the cap fits and all that...

So close! Keep trying though Gotcha, you'll manage that comprehensible sentence one day.

I'll take a stab and guess you're suggesting me as I'm the other main positive poster on this forum. I don't really get involved in Lioner81's debates unless I have a view I want to make. I'm not part of any clique nor do know anyone who posts on here personally unlike others (I could've stood right next to you at a game for all I know)

Since the new moderators have taken over on here I've tried to not get involved in long winded running battles and barring one slip I think I've been much more reserved than previous even though some other posters aim digs intended for me, So in keeping with peoples wishes to avoid those long running thread ruining battles then if I'm not really involved in the particular argument it's much better for all to not try drag me into it with insults or mocking when I'm not really involved in the first place,

Not sure it was aimed at him, and not that he will be bothered or even care

, but I'll vouch for him on that.

Back on subject gents please.

And if folk can leave out the petty, snide baiting, that'd be great.

Thank you.

With pleasure.

So, after our improved showing against HKR and baring in mind Wigan's 50-10 thrashing by the new boys, does anyone think they might have (just slightly) over reacted to our defeat in the meaningless pre-pre season friendly on Boxing Day where we had 13 players missing?

Absolutely

Not at all the game v Wakey has been discussed & opinion given purely on the build up & that game/afyermath nothing since changes what happened wrt that game.
Wtt the HKR performance again opinion has been given what happens v Fev wont change that do you see the pattern?
Wigan v Leigh -Already covered.

I do see an all too familiar pattern, yes.

I think most people knew that it would cost £20 to get away from the missus and kids on Boxing day - small price to pay IMO if that's your bag. I haven't attended these games for many years - I am not that desperate to get away from the missus or see a game of rugby.

However the general view is the performance was below what was expected given the comments of the coach prior to the game.

Does the performance have any relevance to the 2017 season - who knows only time will answer that question

Let me help you with that one Sal. The answer is the same as it's always been.... no.

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but you have no more knowledge on the matter than those who suggest it sets a poor tone for the year.

As I said nobody really knows and all will be revealed in time - just like your prediction for the 2017 season

No, sorry. I just don't agree.

A meaningless pre-pre-season friendly with most of the first team missing, played only for the fans and to make some easy cash for the club, has absolutely no bearing on the forthcoming season. None whatsoever. If we go on to lose every game this season it won't be because some kids got beat in December.

It's the same with Wigan and last week's 50-10 drubbing by Leigh.

And you already know my prediction: Top 4. I made that on here before any 2017 prediction threads were created.