Juan, you are talking absolute rubbish mate. You simply can not see some of the things that go on, on the tv, close up replays I give you, but not the full vision like you can at a game. Your biase on JJB knows no bounds, here it is completely clueless. No one is arguing with you on errors, in fact nobody is saying he wasn't rushing out, that was part of the problem he was playing his own game and leaving problems for others. He is not fit, that is clear, his arms are knackered, he can not get them round and he is flapping, do you not notice he never makes a tackle round the legs? They ran round him numerous times in that first half, and he was shoved off three times, that was why I commented at half time. That is fact, not your view that can not see it from thousands of miles away. Let me make it clear, nobody is questioning JJB's attitude and desire.

I agree with you on Sutcliffe and Briscoe who were woeful, although not necessarily the Eden try. I also think Sutcliffe was at fault with the third try where it was clear what Millington was doing, he was pointing for it, and Sutcliffe was looking right at it but didn't read it. But that is what happens when players play roles they are not up to.

This gets a bit boring to be honest. You would be 100% correct in an isolated match. But come on, how many times have we repeated this now in games? 39 missed tackles is nothing new for us this year, and neither is low percentages. If the coach can't fix that, then where does the blame really lie?

McDermott looked a broken man at the after match interviews. Looked like someone who Simply does not have the answers and the fact layers are not responding to him. I hope he realises that either he is not up to it anymore and should stand aside. Or stop being so loyal to his favourites who are clearly letting him down. If he and GH intend for him to stay in for next year they need to tell the players they are either done after this year or playing for a contract next year. Tony smith has done this at Warrington and they are well on with recruiting for next year were as we are standing still

If Hardaker, Gale and McShane were playing for Leeds, under the coaching of Powell, there may have been a different result.
Leeds' loss has been Castleford's gain.

There is no place on this board for such well thought out comments like this , stop it immediately

Your key was the coaching. Not sure putting them in this current set up would make much difference, and McShane simply isn't anything close to Parcell anyway.

Gale would improve us but generally coaching is the differencr

McShane has outplayed his opposite number parcell everytime easily this season they've met. Granted I appreciate that stems from the pack.

Would expect a ban for JJB.

No he hasn't, not at all.

He has. Every time Cas have played Leeds this year McShane has been the standout hooker. I like Parcell, good player, speed to burn, decent support player, works hard. But Macca is also having a damn good season and I wouldn't swap him for anyone. Such a good rugby brain, tough as old boots. He thoroughly deserves his England call up .

Yes he has

McShane has been the better hooker but its not surprising considering his team have been on the front foot in about 75 percent of the overall game time over the 3 games.

He has improved lots since he was with us, i don't think he is quite international standard though.

By some distance too.

As for McGuire, did he create any more when on the pitch than he did while in the bin?

I he hasn't at all. We had this after magic weekend, and the stats came out and it wasn't even close, Parcell was by miles the better player. I really can't recall much of the first game, but don't think McShane did anything better than Parcell last night either. Parcell is easily the stand out hooker in Super League this year.

I fact a quick look at the stats, 51 tackles from Parcell with one error, as opposed to McShanes 33 and two errors. Everything else similar. Not sure what people are expecting from an hooker. But that's the second game on trot against Cas, where Parcell has been a defensive saviour and topped 50 tackles.

I agree with you Walker is an exciting prospect even Mac has waxed lyrical about him rating him better than Ward on his debut. With 20 mins to go in last nights match I felt we had no answers to combat Cas, we lacked that creative edge or that catalyst that would spark the others into action. Walker's raw enthusiasm coupled with the no fear mentality that young players have COULD have made the difference . However, I am reminded of the CC game against Fev, true he was only on for 10 mins I think, so was never really going to make a great impact in a short space of time...but Fev players gave him a right battering...almost got knocked senseless. Not saying it would have happened last night ,you also can't wrap players in cotton wool..best way to learn from a knock is to get right back in there. Cas though were coming in hard last night ,if he had started they would have targeted him heavily ,possibly experiencing far worse than he did against Fev. Think in Fev match he only managed once to make decent metres but most of the time they closed him down...Cas who are a superior side to Fev would possibly done far more expert number on him. So end result probably still a defeat ,Mac though would have come under criticism for playing a youngster in an important match that kept us in contention. So I can understand his reasons for not risking Walker.... There is then the argument of ok why was he included in the squad...before match Mac genuinely thought Leeds would be able to reverse the 6 previous defeats, had we been winning by a reasonable margin then I reckon he would have played Walker...safe option though think you learn more from tough games...that my reckoning. I hope rumours of Walker considering his future at Leeds are false...kid just got to be patient ..he will get his time.

To me it was obvious before the start that Walker was NEVER going to get on unless we had a serious injury to a back or in the miracle that we found ourselves miles in front (which was never going to happen) so that being the case I think it was a waste of a bench spot and we could have just gone with another forward option.

Case in point last night was when we were behind and probably needing something different, Handley went off for a head assessment and instead of bringing Walker on and either sticking him on the wing for 10 minutes or putting him at FB and moving Sutcliffe into the halves, or sticking him in the halves for 10 minutes and moving Moon back to centre to solve the turnstile defence we had on that edge with Hall and Handley flapping about like girls we bring on Cuthbo instead

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Unlike you I paid good money to watch that tripe and I am not the only suggesting the quality on the field is not what it should be.

I await you reason why Cas were lucky to beat Leeds the 7th time on the trot. How do you put it pfft!!

I did go to the game thanks.

Have to say Parcell looks tired to me. Hes hardly run since the Wire game and while he makes lots of tackles he has stopped winning collision. Not blaming him for our dismal attacking efforts by the way.

Cas are very well coached they have options for Gale all the time with bodies in motion. We have no moves, set plays, structure and no decoy runners. Its boring to watch.

Weve some good hard working forwards who graft every week but have no X factor about them. They are all similar. We are linked with Hep Cahill for next year whos a solid pro and workhorse but we already have 4 Hep Cahills in our pack.

Ive nothing against McD weve had a lot of success under him but its time for some fresh ideas next year. I dont mind losing, it happens, but i hate the fact we are boring to watch.

Leeds Rugby League is known for its brand of attacking and that should be adhered to win lose or draw. Like i say at the moment we are boring to watch. The players give their all every week. Theres no lack of effort or pride. They just arent given a structure or system to succeed in from what I can see.

top post but you can read the same comments on wire, saints or pies board, super league and the game in general is on a slippery slope, watched the all blacks this morning, ball handling skills at pace which was great to watch, when was the last international RL game we can say that about

Sadly I have to agree with you. RU used to be dull and RL skillful. It seems the other way round these days

I get that cas fans are cocky after beating us again, and rightly so as they are a superior team to us at the moment. But they need to think bigger and look beyond beating us now, it's about winning the grand final and we are probably the 4th best team. They will more likely need to beat hull or Salford to win the grand final and they have shown an ability to beat cas.

I'm not sure they have enough games but I do think if Wigan made the top 4 they would strangle the life out of cas and win the gf.