Difference of opinion I guess. I dont think Sean Long has been as influential at Saints as Sinfield at Leeds.

Sinfield does not only have personal honours, but it is the leadership side where I see him as a great. Would Leeds have won the honours without his leadership of the side? some would say yes, I don't beleive so personally. We as a club have been incredibally lucky to have such a player. I for one will never forget this player for years and years to come.

In fairness to Ramrod we should examine the merits of his claim.

For those who admire Sinfield the following can be relied upon.

Captained his club to 4 titles in 6 seasons.
Captained his club to three other major finals.
Lance Todd winner.
Harry Sunderland Winner
MOM winner in a WCC
Hosts of Leeds awards and records inc Player of the Year
Capped regularly by GB since 2000
Capped regularly for England
MOM in Saturday's high stake international against the World Champions
Nominee for Golden Boot 2009

For those who wish to denigrate Sinfield we have....

The insane ramblings of tinyrod posted during his golden time PC access and the home for the specially gifted.

As a one time poster (who himself would be red faced about Sinfield's nomination) would say.....

bwah ha ha ha ha.

There aren't many players from our competition that get nominated for the Golden Boot.

There aren't many players from the Super League era who have played in an international against the worlds' best opposition with such high stakes and have walked away with a man of the match award.

If we're going to bestow greatness on anyone from this era then I can think of none who would merit it more.

That is without getting into a discussion about what greatness really constitutes and looking at kevin's professionalism, dedication, position as role model, articulate nature etc.

Imagine Kevin played Rugby Union. He'd be canonized by now.

Absolutely no argument from me about that, which is what makes him a Leeds great.

Hopefully this series has given him the confidence to kick on at international level and nail his place for years to come.

Perhaps more importantly, he now seems to have the full confidence of the coach and his performances have earned the support of the England fans, which he has never really had until now.

A decent clubman you say?



He did a fantastic job protecting the halves on Saturday.

A decent clubman you say?









Please provide a link to where you said he should be moved to hooker.


Why would you recommend shifting a decent clubman to hooker rather than leave him out altogether?

What a complete fathead.

That's a pretty fair comparison. It would take at least 2 really great games in matches that mattered to be considered an all time great.

Not sure any brit has attained that level yet

F A C T

WTF - 3 great games at International = All Time Great!!

You would be wrong, there. There have been times too numerous to mention when Longy has won games for us, not only in his last minute drop goals but in his reading of a game, natural creativity and organisational skills. His presence at Saints has been crucial to their success. Absolutely crucial. Granted, over the last couple of seasons that has waned, but he had 12 years with us. Having said that, I don't think we would have beaten Wigan in the playoffs if it hadn't been for Longy. Not only was he everywhere for the full 80, he singlehandedly saved two tries. Once again, he won us a match, even in his last weeks with us. He is a very tough act to follow for any potential no.7 both in terms of his own skills and also so far as his influence upon Saints is concerned.

when considering past players who MAY haver been considered great they often had a touch of arrogance/swagger about them , Hanley, schofield, gregory, offiah , menninga, kenny , lewis, robinson for example.

Sinfield carries himself more in the manner of the late great john holmes.

Regardless of the personal awards he appears to have priority for team & club b4 self but is often the difference between winning & losing.

Mike brearley was regarded as a guru of test captaincy for the 81 ashes & his time @ middlesex but you certainly wouldn't have asked him to bat for your life.

Sinfield has never been the biggest, fastest, most skilful but as a leader & organiser of winning sides he has been peerless while carrying himself with humility & professionalism.

With this years win he dedicated it to john holmes & later spoke of memories to cherish ahead of short term financial gain & appears to treat the twin imposters equally.

and that could cause you big problems next season mate. the organiser.long was outstanding at it, eastmond is more of a individual while pryce isn't capable either

True, but people forget that Long grew into that role from his beginnings as a rapid broken field runner a la Eastmond.

I don't want to run Sinfield down here, as I think he is a great club man and has finally started to show his club form on the International stage, but seriously? Great of the game? For a player that's only managed to represent his country 17 times in a 12 year career? And only shown any form in the last game and a half? I think the likes of Wally Lewis, Billy Boston, Darren Lockyer etc. might disagree regarding your definition of 'great of the game'.

Second highest ever points scorer for his club, of course he's a great - at least in terms of Leeds.
FACT based on statistics NOT personal opinion.

Noone ever took you seriously. Then you posted this.



on McClennan










Why should anyone EVER listen to you? Why?

A decent clubman at best.







Gareth OWNED you in one post above. I see you've ignored it you complete FATHEAD.

So how many is it? I presume it's 20 or so after this series, and still only made an impact in a game and a half? Surely you understand the point I'm making anyway. His International career surely precludes him from being a 'great of the game'. Leeds great, definitely but, even as a Leeds fan you wouldn't put him in the same bracket as the true greats of the game such as Wally Lewis etc. would you?

I'm not doubting he's a Leeds great. Just as there are club greats at every club (Cunningham at Saints being a prime example) who wouldn't neccessarily qualify as 'greats of the game'.

I don't think it's a question of 'could' - more a definite 'will'! And with Pryce as SO it's even more of an issue. When he decides to play, Pryce is very similar in style to Eastmond (and Eastmond has acknowledged this publically, hoping it would not spoil his chances). To have two Pryces, even when one does actually turn up at each match (as Eastmond does), could be a bit of a 'mare really. But as has already been said, Longy was a broken field runner type player when he first came to us so hopefully inside Eastmond there is also an organiser. If not, he may have to swap roles or we may have to look to someone else to take on the organising role (which we will have to in the interim anyway). Scrum halves don't automatically have to be the organisers but obviously it would be easier that way.

What with Potter's apparent ability to stifle our attack, next season could turn out to be quite an interesting one!

Eastmond is absolutely nothing like Pryce IMO.

He's a 7 who has shown a good passing and kicking game at academy level.

He said it, not me. I can see his point in that he is a runner not an organiser (as yet?). But I clearly remember the interview in the RL press when he self-identified as playing very like Pryce.


He was also a good centre in the Grand Final.

I deleted that post because 5 seconds after I wrote it I realised that engageing an idiot in conversation, no matter how obvious a total fekkwitt he is, does in some way give him credibility.

So I'm not talking to Phuzzy now (that would be like trying to communicate with an amoeba by banging two hamsters together), I'm merely explaining with a point of reference.

Sinfield voted best 13 in the world 2009! its humble pie time idiots!!

He's doing very well. Pleased to be eating my hat or whatever. It's much nicer to be proved wrong on the upside than the downside.



One thing I would say is that the halfbacks of Eastmond/Tomkins is probably the best combination to use alongside Sinfield as neither of them are going to be leading the side around as yet. If we had quality experienced halfbacks I doubt there would be the same role available - in fact there really shouldn't be. In that case I'd see Sinfield as potentially our best hooking option.

For Leeds it'll be interesting to see how things develop from here. If I were McGuire I'd be wanting - actually needing - to develop a more rounded stand-offs game that won't fold under pressure. Which in turn means taking more responsibility for the team as a whole.

tell me, what would he HAVE to do in your eyes to become a great of the game?

Be a 4 time championship winning captain??
Or a 3-in-a-row winning captain??
Harry sunderland and lance todd winning captain???
M.O.M in a winning team against the WC holders??
Short-listed for the golden boot??
Voted the best 13 in the WORLD??
I guess he's a long way to go G before he "proves" himself a great of the game to RL genius phuzzy!!!