What's not positive about me saying I want us to win every game? You seem to have an air of superiority regarding everything Rhinos.

None of that is fact. What's a fair offer? Both club and player are likely to have different ideas. Some purported facts about Walters: He's 22. He's played 29 (excluding friendlies) competive games for Leeds. He scored three tries. Those are facts in that they can be checked and very verified. An opinion, no matter how passionately held, is not a fact.

Wanting a team to win every week is not a positive thing its an unrealistic expectation.

You have never as far as Ive seen said anything positive about the club.

How do you know this?

Walters was offered a big upgrade, but has turned it down and will sign elsewhere according to Smith

He doesn’t.

Walters was offered a significant upgrade on his contract.

If Wigan offered more then there’s not much you can do.

The big upgrade was probably two more games per season xD

amazing how people allegedly know players salaries and contract details

I did say probably, tbf

Just seen Rohan’s interview.

Sounds like we made a good offer, and he’s decided to go elsewhere. Could be a number of reasons for that, but ultimately don’t think this can now be twisted into ‘Not valuing/trying to keep our young talent’

no idea what the offer was but what leeds consider a good offer obviously wasn't what Walters thought it should be.
either way much as I'd have like to keep him you move on

Possibly swayed by being closer to family too.

A fair point

Out of interest was Walters travelling from Widnes everyday or did he move to Leeds?
We made a decent offer to Hardaker and now to Walters and both have moved on.
Maybe those clubs offered a bit more or longer contracts.
It is all relevant.

Out of all our young forwards Walters is the one I'm least bothered about losing, he's hardly played. We move on!

This move will have more elements to it than just money. Very few people move for just money in any walk of life - its a fallacy to suggest otherwise. There will be other considerations, playing opportunities, coaching/development standards, location, family - not sure what his personal arrangements are, club culture, external issues - travelling, spare time friends etc.

What is a significant upgrade - if you are on £20k and someone offers you £30k that is a 50% uplift - the fact your peer group might be on double that still makes it a big upgrade. Its the starting point that matters.

You know what I know? Will there be any more movement with younger players?

Far too much sense in this post, behave

As much as I'd love to see him stay, it won't break my heart to see him leave. I don't think he has shown his full potential yet, but he has hardly set the world on fire.

The reality is that we can't keep every single player that shows potential and give them all game time every week. We are not struggling in the forwards so someone is going to miss out every week, and I don't think he is ready to take over as a permanent first team player yet.

If he thinks he can get more game time elsewhere, he should go to pastures new. But I doubt any of the big clubs are going to give him a first team shirt straight away.

If Wigan are offering more money, then so be it. They obviously have different ideas on where to spend their player budget than we do. I'm sure whatever Leeds offered is a fair assessment of how much they value him as an asset.

Flipping heck a sensible post?

At the end of the day you provide the best environment you can; you pay fairly and then if that’s not enough for some individuals so be it.

We don’t know the full story with Sam there could be other reasons he’s going - we did sign him very young from Widnes when their academy collapsed so there was always some risk in this.

He obviously wants to be closer to home.
Big club like Wigan have offered him a good deal.
It is what it is.

Bit like when Bentley came to us.
But Bentley was getting more game time at Saints and was further on in his development.
Saints would have preferred to keep him, but he wanted to come to his home town club.
Saints have moved on.

I wonder whether Walters simply thought he would work better with Peet than he has done with Rohan Smith? Smith is an interesting character - not sure what to make of him and get the impression that a few Leeds fans feel the same. On one hand, he's innovative, never gets fazed and took you to a GF. But perhaps not the most personable bloke - seems prickly with the media at times and has already fallen out with one of the team's star players. Put it like this - I'm not sure it would take much to get on his bad side.

I think that`s a fair assessment of Smith imo too.
I may be wrong but he looks like a good assistant coach or needs some experience supporting him as a coach.
I do think he has the potential maybe a bit like Wellens at Saints.

Correct, I don’t think Walters has been given a decent run to show his ability or lack of. As a Leeds fan I certainly can’t work out smith , Peet has impressed me , personally I think he is a vast improvement on wane.

perhaps a coach like seth could enlighten me.
can you see a plan? a structure? it seems to be just play what's in front of you. maybe it's me but I can't see where we are heading, what we are aiming to do.
is this how smith coached in Australia?