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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"Graham GH would have spent the money on both Soliola and Eastwood sadly neither materialised what is criminal is that he had no fall back position'"
So would Soliola and Eastwood be enough for next season in your opinion?...
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| We need a prop as well IMO...
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| Quote ="The Joker®"So would Soliola and Eastwood be enough for next season in your opinion?...'" It would certainly improve the squad especially if we lose Smith.
What do you say Richie?
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"We need a prop as well IMO...'"
Minimum of one possibly two - Kylie has to go at the end of this year surely and questions still remain as to Bailey's consistency and Burgesses' suitability
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"Minimum of one possibly two - Kylie has to go at the end of this year surely and questions still remain as to Bailey's consistency and Burgesses' suitability'"
If any of our current props leave, we will need two as we are currently one light. IIRC correctly, Bluey said before the season started that we would be changing the way we play this year, going for more speed (which presumably means less bulk). This has clearly had a negative effect on KL IMO.
We need to manage our recruitment carefully over the next few seasons or we will end up needing to change half a team in three or four years time.
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"Minimum of one possibly two - Kylie has to go at the end of this year surely and questions still remain as to Bailey's consistency and Burgesses' suitability'" I'd give Kylie another year,he may not make loads of yards but he more than makes up for it with hard defence.
Burgess is still a young lad for a prop who I feel can only improve, so I would offer him a new deal.
Bailey definitely he upsets the opposition and can play play for long spells.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"If any of our current props leave, we will need two as we are currently one light. IIRC correctly, Bluey said before the season started that we would be changing the way we play this year, going for more speed (which presumably means less bulk). This has clearly had a negative effect on KL IMO.
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| Quote ="fanstanningley"I'd give Kylie another year,he may not make loads of yards but he more than makes up for it with hard defence.
Burgess is still a young lad for a prop who I feel can only improve, so I would offer him a new deal.
Bailey definitely he upsets the opposition and can play play for long spells.'"
Well so you are saying we should stay with what we have - cannot agree with that - Kylie played 20 minutes on Friday you simply cannot carry a luxury like that - he misses as many tackles as he hits and the times he cannot get back in line are numerous
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| Quote ="fanstanningley"Didn't TS try this in 2005-2006?'"
The year of JJB the mobile prop, yes he did and it failed then as well. RL is a simple game, big forwards make yards, skillful halves create gaps for fast backs to exploit. Not too difficult is it?
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| Quote ="Eccleshill Rhino"Well so you are saying we should stay with what we have - cannot agree with that - Kylie played 20 minutes on Friday you simply cannot carry a luxury like that - he misses as many tackles as he hits and the times he cannot get back in line are numerous'"
Is this because he is getting older and time is catching up with him, or is it because we have changed both the game we are asking him to play, and his body shape, both of which are having negative effects?
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Is this because he is getting older and time is catching up with him, or is it because we have changed both the game we are asking him to play, and his body shape, both of which are having negative effects?'"
All the props are big guys but Kylie consistently fails to get back into the defensive line - this is criminal regardless of body shop and tactics
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"The year of JJB the mobile prop, yes he did and it failed then as well. RL is a simple game, big forwards make yards, skillful halves create gaps for fast backs to exploit. Not too difficult is it?'" Nope just find the right players for their correct positions,a good coach and a bit of luck and you'll be there.
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| Is it worth pointing out that we are now two defeats away from slipping out of the top 8, or is that too pessimistic?
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Is it worth pointing out that we are now two defeats away from slipping out of the top 8, or is that too pessimistic?'" Yes
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Is it worth pointing out that we are now two defeats away from slipping out of the top 8, or is that too pessimistic?'"
We could have been as low as 5th right now had results been different today.
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| Quote ="FoxyRhino"We could have been as low as 5th right now had results been different today.'"
We Could - Have been top of the league if we didn't lose any matches...
We Could - Have been in the 5thRound of the Challenge Cup had we beaten St Helens...
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| Quote ="The Joker®"We Could - Have been top of the league if we didn't lose any matches...
We Could - Have been in the 5thRound of the Challenge Cup had we beaten St Helens...'"
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| Quote ="The Joker®"We Could - Have been top of the league if we didn't lose any matches...
We Could - Have been in the 5thRound of the Challenge Cup had we beaten St Helens...'"
Yup. All ifs and buts.
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| Quote ="Kifaru"Yup. All ifs and buts.'"
Exactly, we can't rely on excuses all the way through the season...
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| Quote ="fanstanningley"Yes'"
How can you answer an "either / or" question with "yes"?
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"How can you answer an "either / or" question with "yes"?
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"We need a prop as well IMO...'" we had a good one in scruton, some strange reason we let him go
burgess isn't, and shouldn't have been a straight swop. Leeds should have been looking at burgess as a long term replacement for kylie/peacock. and used him as the 5th prop, rotating them around when needed.
it appears leeds seem to have fallen into the trap of well he's sams brother, so he's going to be as good.
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| Quote ="MHL"we had a good one in scruton, some strange reason we let him go'"
I think we were obviously saving space in our cap for other potential signings which seem to have fallen through and he was offered more money and a longer deal by Bradford...
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| Quote ="The Joker®"I think we were obviously saving space in our cap for other potential signings which seem to have fallen through and he was offered more money and a longer deal by Bradford...'" leeds weren't at full crap last year, this year they have an extra 50K to spend onto of the normal crap (the 10 years at a club rule). couple of signing really going to use all that up, when we were already losing two big money earners?
as i've said in my edit, burgess isn't/shouldn't have been a straight replacement.
as you have said, and was reported in the press at the time, he apparently was only offered a year contract, what were leeds thinking? IMO someone fooked up badly
we have two props nearing the end of their playing career, a young lad that isn't good enough / consistent enough yet.....i know, lets let one of our best props from last year go
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| Quote ="MHL"we had a good one in scruton, some strange reason we let him go'"
Once out of contract, we have no more right to him than anyone else.
it's not so much a case of letting him go, but someone else thinking he's worth more to them, than we think he is worth to us.
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