After last seasons nightmare I would have thought it would have given Gary a clue as to this season

It will be better for the club long term, if we manage to muddle our way through Easter without losing sight of the Top 8 then I can see Hetherington sticking with what we've got for another year.

No

We will continue to go backwards just as we did last season. If it was not for the class of James Segeyaro we may have been where HKR are now.

Also I hear JP has come out to back McD.

The harsh truth isn't whining

you just sit with the rest of the sea lions getting fed a sh#* sandwich every week & taking it.

No i never want my Team to lose but the changes need to happen on/off the pitch win lose or draw.
We genuinely are at a point ala 2002 when Powell cleaned out the old guard & started the re-build with youngsters & posituve signings.

I was about to post the same thing. He is one of the most reliable players who never gives up. A regular top tackler and leader of the defensive line and first up on the kick chases.

Because he has been unfortunate with injuries does not make him like Maguire or Delaney who cannot run anymore. JJB, injury apart, is one of the fittest players in the squad capable of long minutes. Ward, Sutcliffe, McGuire and possibly Ferres have missed as many matches recently and had he played at Cas the other night we would not have lost by that score.

The same can be said for Burrow who even though past his best is still our best attacking threat and until we sign a quality replacement it would be madness to move him on before others who will never match his ability to win a match.

Certainly we need replacements for the likes of Delaney, Walters and sadly McGuire on current form and I do not think we can keep so many squad players who have not got what it takes in ability to be first choices. I have always been a supporter of giving youngsters with rugby skills a chance but we make too many excuses for the likes of Sutcliffe who has had ample opportunity to stand out. Williams with far fewer chances stamped his authority on games with an full array of skills. Sutcliffe has shown the necessary skill level so very few times and his show and go is as predictable but far less effective than 2nd rower Andy Hay used to be and he struggles to know when to run and when to pass. I am not saying he is a bad player and I rate his usefulness only as a utility squad player.

None of the crop of young forwards has looked to possess outstanding abilities and look like Singleton replicas at best which is not good enough in my opinion.

Watkins is another whose inconsistent performances are often hidden by excuses and he is something of an enigma because he undoubtedly is a gifted runner with balance and good footwork but he seems to lack urgency and awareness and so rarely runs good lines into space and doesn't stand deep enough. He has improved his defense from a physical point of view but his positional sense still appears naive at times and he regularly fails in the big matches both for Leeds and his country.

All in all we need some serious recruitment starting with a quality halfback who would make some of the less gifted players look so much better.

Whereas you and others aren't taking it......because you're moaning on an Internet forum

Yep really showing the club is that.

You don't get it do you?
Stick to your pathetic presumptions that "some want us to lose or some will be happy with the scoreline"BS.
Offering opinions whether positive negative or indifferent isn't moaning or crying blah blah it's an opinion on a forum designed for such things

We've had plenty of hidings with Jjb in his PRIME in the 17 so at 35 there's no way he would have prevented that scoreline.
I see yer faith in Mcguire turning our fortunes around has disintergrated pretty quick aswell.
Onto Watkins he's this years Hardaker for you then going by that how's ZH lack of talent looking now he's with a Coach who improves players?
Getting the best out of Watkins is as much about supply structure & planning as it is about his own talent/attitude.
I agree with you re-departures but again i will point out wrt youngsters no judgement should be made until the required changes are implimented.
Finally onto Sutty/Williams comparison both have been handled completely differently one has been chopped changed position picked injured & restricted wrt his role whereas the other has been nurtured guided & given the freedom/backing & consistency in selection to be allowed to grow into his role.

Lots of critical words there from Juan aimed towards players seemingly incapable of improvement under this coaching set-up. Yet Hardaker has highlighted in under a month of the current season the potential value added by quality coaching.

Could easily flip that and say just because someone doesn't criticise constantly on an Internet forum they're some sort of sheep who agrees with everything the club/coach/CEO does.

I am not a McDermott fan - his brand of rugby is turgid and one dimensional.

I think he has had his time at Leeds as I think has GH - fresh ideas are required not just about the play on the field but the direction the club is going to take in the future.

I am pretty negative about much I see going on but I wouldn't want to see the team losing matches. Thursday was a low point and embarrassment to everyone at the club and all those on here who genuinely think things are not really that bad. Everyone can see the club is not in a great place - when the CEO personally apologises things must be bad!!

Wanting the team to lose games so the coach gets the sack is pretty low in my view.

All BS aside you've backed Mc.D/GH as much as anyone & more than most though haven't you?
I will also say going by some of your posts you seem to think a lot of the criticism somehow equates to people hoping the Team loses/fails that's just wrong on every level imo.

I was accused of bending over and letting GH do something to my backside only last week.
Now it's Sea Lions getting fed a poop sandwich.

There's some very angry and thoroughly offensive little "men" posting on these forums recently.

Completely agree Sal, well said.

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I think GH has given himself some thinking time, and has, very cleverly, put himself in a no lose situation.
I don't think he wants to sack macdermott, nor does he want to be seen to sack such a successful coach.
however if leeds pick up he can say cas was a blip and he was right to stick with macdermott, if leeds keep losing he can say he gave him every chance.

No one dishes out insults more than you - I take it your last sentence was as a result of you looking in the mirror

Guys, do you really need to put all the insults in?

You don't like each other, we get it.

Debate the point and leave the schoolyard BS to the side.

A sense of humour seems to have by passed the mod

My sense of humor as you put it I deleted accidentally while cleaning up your types out diarrhoea quote fests.

I miss it.

Someone posted earlier that they want the team to lose the next 4 games.

Really - I can't say I have noticed a difference since you climbed on the throne?

Not true but when has the truth ever stopped you from posting?
Nice to see a variation on the old "i know you are, you said you are" line too, so well done on that one Sal. How old are you again?

I love them all (even Sal!) and aside from the odd "silly old sod" comment I do try to avoid personal insults.