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| whilst i agree Christopher, if the rest of this season is poor, and next starts in the same vein, you're back to another coach coming in during a season with somebody else's players.
I'd give him 6 weeks. I accept he is stuck with a poor squad but frankly his coaching leaves a lot to be desired.
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| Quote ="christopher"I think he gets this year to get the squad he wants for next year much like Powell at Wire this year, next year is Smith’s real test.'"
Agree. Even though performances have been in and out and we have lost more than we've won the only drubbing we've suffered was at Wire. Generally the trigger for a change of coach is a series of beatings and that just hasn't occurred. Also the level of impatience/hostility to the coach that is generated on this forum is not reflected on the terraces. They got a standing ovation at the end of the Saints game. Hetherington will care about what paying spectators think rather than noise on social media type platforms, and so he should. All that being said - the pressure is on in terms of A) Starting to announce major recruitment for next year sooner rather than later B) Starting very strongly next year. Fail on either of those and alarm bells will be ringing.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"whilst i agree Christopher, if the rest of this season is poor, and next starts in the same vein, you're back to another coach coming in during a season with somebody else's players.
I'd give him 6 weeks. I accept he is stuck with a poor squad but frankly his coaching leaves a lot to be desired.'"
Youd give him 6 weeks which coincides with the injuries we have?
And if he starts next year on fire then it means were further down the road than if we changed coaches this year.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"Agree. Even though performances have been in and out and we have lost more than we've won the only drubbing we've suffered was at Wire. Generally the trigger for a change of coach is a series of beatings and that just hasn't occurred. Also the level of impatience/hostility to the coach that is generated on this forum is not reflected on the terraces. They got a standing ovation at the end of the Saints game. Hetherington will care about what paying spectators think rather than noise on social media type platforms, and so he should. All that being said - the pressure is on in terms of A) Starting to announce major recruitment for next year sooner rather than later B) Starting very strongly next year. Fail on either of those and alarm bells will be ringing.'"
This forum is known for not liking coaches- hence the legendary for the live of god thread.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"Agree. Even though performances have been in and out and we have lost more than we've won the only drubbing we've suffered was at Wire. Generally the trigger for a change of coach is a series of beatings and that just hasn't occurred. Also the level of impatience/hostility to the coach that is generated on this forum is not reflected on the terraces. They got a standing ovation at the end of the Saints game. Hetherington will care about what paying spectators think rather than noise on social media type platforms, and so he should. All that being said - the pressure is on in terms of A) Starting to announce major recruitment for next year sooner rather than later B) Starting very strongly next year. Fail on either of those and alarm bells will be ringing.'"
Our points difference backs up your point.
Were +7, compare that with say Hulls!
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| If we end this season near the bottom 3 then Rohan should go and GH and co spend all off-season looking for a replacement. His coaching levels are way off what was touted and all I've heard is Tony's nephew this and that, that doesn't always mean Tony's coaching skills rubs off on family members. I can't see Danny McGuire coming back to Leeds in amanagement role, not any time soon anyway.
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| Lineham trying his best to take Olpherts worst wing performance of the weekend award.
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| The most disappointing thing about this years performances, is that it comes on the back of how well he did last season with a weaker squad. Yes the squad needs strengthening and we have injuries but the quality of cohesion in attack is terrible and has been pretty much all season. Smith takes responsibility for that.
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| Quote ="The Magic Rat"The most disappointing thing about this years performances, is that it comes on the back of how well he did last season with a weaker squad. Yes the squad needs strengthening and we have injuries but the quality of cohesion in attack is terrible and has been pretty much all season. Smith takes responsibility for that.'"
I don’t think it’s heloed that we have had no consistency in the halves (or elsewhere for that matter) with our injuries.
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| that doesn't help cohesion but I'm yet to see what heis trying g to achieve, how he wants to play, a style of play. he certainly doesn't improve players individually.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"that doesn't help cohesion but I'm yet to see what heis trying g to achieve, how he wants to play, a style of play. he certainly doesn't improve players individually.'"
Cam Smith, Holroyd, Oconner and macdonnel have all improved under Rohan Smith.
Personally I can see what he’s trying to do, im not sure he has the players especially in the halves to do it yet.
As I say next year is his real test.
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| let's agree to disagree.
if we should lose to the worse team I've seen for many years next week his position would be untenable imo
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| I’m just bored.
Rugby league is a very simple game and I’m getting bored of our coach’s 5D chess bollax if I’m honest.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"let's agree to disagree.
if we should lose to the worse team I've seen for many years next week his position would be untenable imo'"
Fair enough but I don’t think the club will see it that way, especially with the injuries we have.
If we do lose, i do think he’ll be getting a serious word from the club though.
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| Quote ="christopher"I agree with this, what did JJB say?'"
Nothing terrible, just the players are not
Playing to potential compared to other sides, which is true but for mine you are either in the tent p1ssing out or outside p1ssing in. Not right him and JP want to do both
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| We badly miss Hardaker given we played our new number 4 on the wing.
In fact we are
Missing Sutty and even Briscoe a bit as well
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| Quote ="Sir Gregory ParsloeP"We badly miss Hardaker given we played our new number 4 on the wing.
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Missing Sutty and even Briscoe a bit as well'"
Macdonald played centre yesterday didn’t he? Anyway I actually think he is s better winger than centre .
Sutcliffe and Briscoe are two players most people on here wanted rid of.
We do miss Hardaker though i will give you that.
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| I liked sutty, always did but he had to go. leeds messed him terribly. proving what a decent player he always was
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| Quote ="krisleeds"Olpherts is STILL better than Tindall.
What does that say about current depth in the backs....?'"
We do have some other potential wingers coming through no dramas - Tindall is quick and evasive but can’t seem to do anything else a rugby league player needs to do well… shame because he showed glimmers of promise over the Xmas friendlies.
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| Quote ="christopher"Macdonald played centre yesterday didn’t he? Anyway I actually think he is s better winger than centre .
Sutcliffe and Briscoe are two players most people on here wanted rid of.
We do miss Hardaker though i will give you that.'"
Agree but if Hardaker wanted too much… also he is always a liability off the field.
As long as we’re not relegated this year and some of our core players develop I’m personally not that bothered.
We have a rare opportunity to really sweep the broom through and that’s what we need to do. If we carry on retaining mid-table players and overpaid marquees (which every single one of them has been) then we will keep on getting the same results.
We are a good side in the making still IMO but the magic sauce is missing.
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Hardaker > Olpherts'"
Olpherts wasn’t Hardakers replacement though.
Id be happy never seeing olpherts again mind.
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| Quote ="KaeruJim"Agree but if Hardaker wanted too much… also he is always a liability off the field.
As long as we’re not relegated this year and some of our core players develop I’m personally not that bothered.
We have a rare opportunity to really sweep the broom through and that’s what we need to do. If we carry on retaining mid-table players and overpaid marquees (which every single one of them has been) then we will keep on getting the same results.
We are a good side in the making still IMO but the magic sauce is missing.'"
Im fine with going nothing this year as long as our recruitment is good for next
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| He is the reason that we didn’t have the money to pay Hardaker what he wanted. We’d signed Olpherts long before Hardaker left, don’t be fooled by the announcement dates. I live near to Cas here days, it was widely known over here months before it was announced.
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