So lets discuss Mags getting caught on the 5th poor kicking & no improvement in game management?
Also whilst we're at it lets debate how our esteemed Coaching staff are utilising our backline in attack!

How the f**k did Stevie Ward win MOM. Gave away penalties, was constantly struggling to dominate tackles and that right edge looked our weak point.

All the hallmarks of a Middle 8's fixture between two Middle 8's teams.

From a positive thought the back row looked solid tonight and cuthbertson looked more like his old self ( I know some gave them stick last week)

The big problem for me is no creativity in attack and absolutely no leadership. From last year defence looks better attack is poor. We have no quality pivots no leaders, a typical McDermott team workmanlike

Rhinos Upset Centurions for First Season Win Two sides looking for their first points of Super League 2017 were thrown together at Leigh Sports Village in this round eleven, brought forward, fixture as the Centurions welcomed the Leeds Rhinos for their first home game back on the top flight. Leigh made a handful of changes to the side that were beaten at Castleford last weekend, most notably losing the services of stand-off Martyn Ridyard. The Rhinos also made changes which included Mitch Garbutt being ruled out through illness after arriving in Leigh and being replaced by Anthony Mullally in the front row, with Josh Walters on the bench. The Rhinos side would be bouyed by the return of skipper Danny McGuire who would start from the bench. READ MORE ON THIS STORY...

Rhinos Upset Centurions for First Season Win Two sides looking for their first points of Super League 2017 were thrown together at Leigh Sports Village in this round eleven, brought forward, fixture as the Centurions welcomed the Leeds Rhinos for their first home game back on the top flight. Leigh made a handful of changes to the side that were beaten at Castleford last weekend, most notably losing the services of stand-off Martyn Ridyard. The Rhinos also made changes which included Mitch Garbutt being ruled out through illness after arriving in Leigh and being replaced by Anthony Mullally in the front row, with Josh Walters on the bench. The Rhinos side would be bouyed by the return of skipper Danny McGuire who would start from the bench. READ MORE ON THIS STORY...

At least McDermott lambasted our attack tonight, that's something...now Feckin do something about it!!

A lot of players low on confidence with no game plan to either have faith in nor impliment.
Subs again a mystery but seems easier to single out players when the bigger problems are off the pitch imo.

And we are so lightweight in the front row,

Hetherington must take his share too. recruitment has been dire. mullally, walters, ormandroyd are nowhere near good enough. cheap option seems to be his only option

too many

Going backwards at an alarming rate. Everybody said we needed a half back and we did not recruit one, McDermott is just taking us backwards. Just don't know how we can just sit back and do nothing.

While I would have preferred Baldwinson I think it's a little early to be writing off ormendroyd. Mullally I agree he makes Kirke look good

Thought Ablett was MOM, best he's played in ages.

In general I'd just be glad to get out with the win. The game had banana skin written all over it and was the type we'd have found a way to lose last year.

Apart from that I agree with Macs post match conference and think now surely someone has to get above Mullaly in the pecking order.

He is so pig headed and out right arrogant he will not change even when it's so bleeding obvious that some players are not up to it.

2 games in? Some on here are beyond depressive.

I'd agree a Ablett was my MOM

4 tries in 2 games is a pretty poor return, and it doesn't look like we've bombed too many either.

On the plus side there is plenty to like about the defence.

Incredibly poor second half, no attacking teamwork whatsoever except the relationship between Parcell and Cuthbertson, which looks promising, but then you need halves/fullback to back them up.

Ablett MoM. Cuthbertson and Singleton really good but they had to be, and were shattered in the last quarter. No surprise as McD obviously doesn't trust our other middle forwards, and that's a massive failure of either coaching or recruitment.

Saved by defensive plays by Keinhorst and Briscoe, who were two of our better players, Briscoe in particular.

Negatives...game management...all the intelligence seems to have left the club with Sinfield. None of the three halves were any good, but it's weird that the worst of them, the one who looks like a carthorse loose-forward, was the only one to get 80. Yes, it was a great 40-20 (and drop goal) but that doesn't make up for the rest of the performance. And he will never, ever, ever be a goalkicker.

The other problem with the halves is lack of support from fullback. I know we had that to an extent with Hardaker, but at least he backed up or joined the line. Golding's defence, ball security and positioning was again very good but at a time when fullbacks are being used as extra halves, he got involved in attacking plays presicesly zero times. Whether that's down to him or to the really strange McDermott structure, I don't know.

Also JJB looks finished.

Sceptical of Ormandroyd signing, but to be fair thought he looked quite good when on, and should have had longer.

What an odd game.

first half looked like something to build on. 2nd half we did really well to defend but attack was atrocious. Really bad.

Thought Sutcliffe played really well, but as a team they won in spite of themselves.

They look like a team who will do something really special when they click, you can see glimpses of 2015, times when we look like we should run through teams scoring points in bunches and knocking teams out, but we just dont. Moves don't come off, passes dont stick, last tackle options whether running or kicking are poor, make breaks but don't finish, get a roll on but have no end product, force fumbles and win penalties and start plenty of set inside the 20 or 30 put don't get repeat sets or get over, first two games concede only 20pts, but only score 21.

But we have looked like that for 18months now.

I agree with most points apart from JJB he made 49 tackles last week, he didn't do that bad this week. When we have ferres and Delaney back and he can get some breathers he will be fine this year, our powder puff front row concerns me more thought cuthbertson did well and that's it from our props

Another poor performance again tonight especially in attack again and defence looked weaker than last week leigh were making half breaks and far too many meters we was very lucky to scrape a win tonight, on the positives Parcell looks quality out of dummy half of quick ptb's, Ablett looked solid for most of game as did Stevie Ward and Keinhorst had another decent display hopefully not any injuries tonight and maybe some bodies back for next week for game at Headingley.

He was up there with Parcell and Cuthbertson. Keinhorst and Hall did well also. Thought the right hand three of Ward, Watkins and Briscoe were really poor.

I thought we were alright in the first half once Cuthbertson got on. We were a shambles with the ball in the second half. You can complain about the coach all you want, but it was individual errors that put us under pressure.