Dead right, but you've been around the block enough to see a few shockers like that.

Blooming heck I'm not that old!




It's not just Super League this mornings game between Manly vs Melbourne in NRL has had some horrendous calls

Can't believe some are saying Golding had a good game - he as an absolute liability. Turnstile tackling, miles out of position for the first two tries, kick returns to nowhere and offered sweet FA going forward.

He is epitomised as a player by the fact that he's scared to go into contact because it might knock the scrum cap off of his ing hairdo. Needs to either man up and accept he'll get his hair pulled or get a damn haircut.

Will never be a SL fullback in my lifetime.

Lol.....and perhaps if your bootlaces were tied up differently or if the ball was a different shade?

Sorry mate, I think you are $hite, don't rate you at all. Deal with it.

Stats from the game. Some big efforts defensively particularly from Ward.

All in all we were not far off getting a win on a ground where we usually come home empty handed. The pessimists need some perspective. The latest Hardaker problem would have caused great upheaval for the pre match preparation - add to that the early loss of Moon and you have disruption to a settled side. Credit should be also given to a very committed Warrington defense who closed down our go forward effectively and did not allow us to get into a position to win the game.

Having said that we lost all the 50/50 calls and suffered some blatant bad decisions (even Cummings blamed the ref for one of them) So we could have sneaked a win or a draw, despite not really deserving it, because our defense too was pretty sound apart from the odd mistake that you will get in most games. Some people only ever seem to see negatives but never mention the positives. Just look at the tackle counts of Ward (53), JJB (44) Cuthbertson & JP (39 each) Singleton (33) Also despite our two most influential players being way off their best (Sinfield and JP) we didn't fall apart as has happened in the past during our most successful periods.

warrington got the 50/50 calls last night and those calls swung the game their way rather than in our favour, imo they were the best side on the night and fully deserved their victory,let them enjoy their victory this time around as i'm sure that we can beat them when the big games come around later in the season

ward 53 tackles and 4 missed tackles
jjb 44 tackles with 0 misses

both very impressive defensive efforts

Some shocking calls in that game. Tim Roby is going to fit right in down there.

Yep, pretty much how I saw the game. A lazy performance from too many rather than out and out shoite. His conversions apart. Sinny's tactical kicking leaves a lot to be desired lately, and I think he had more brain farts last night than in the entire previous season. Our pack frightens nobody, Danny Mac is yards slower, both in attack and defence, but we have known that for a while as well, and young Ward looks like picking up JJB's mantle of penalty machine.

Our try was excellently worked, but 30 seconds of magic is a poor return for 80 minutes of fairly bland RL, which included too much of the headless chicken variety. Golding showed promise, and is well worth an outing in the future.

A meh sort of a match. No need to be cutting wrists just yet.....

Warrington deserved to win, the defensive effort was superb. They also looked highly motivated more so than recent performances.
I am not unduly worried as I don't think there is much between the top clubs. Tactically we were naive, especially on the fifth tackle, aimlessly booting the ball high up to ratchford who to his credit does not drop them.
On the plus side singleton and ward are looking the part, on the minus side our half backs are poor, we need to release our centres and wings more ,as any of our half back combinations are woefully slow in thought and action this is a major problem.
I don't think any refereeing decisions cost us the game but the shambles around the ruck by Warrington went virtually unpunished all night.
I don't relish to be defeated by any club but I have respect for the wire as a club and tony smith. Also in the wire team there is no cheap shot merchants. Unlike next weeks visitors who have cornered the market in cheap shot merchants.

I think the score flattered Leeds - there was never any point in the game where you thought Warrington would not win. Leeds definitely didn't get the rub of the green when it came to the refereeing decisions but that usually happens to the team on the back foot.

Leeds have never been a strong team attacking in the opponents 20 and that was exposed again yesterday, they need to play to their strengths of long range tries - no surprise the try originated in Leeds' own half. The back line is full of superb athletes they need to work on getting these players into more appropriate attacking situations.

Cuthbertson demonstrated why he is in SL and not in the NRL - there appears little selectivity in his offloading and his defence was exposed for Penny's try. He adds a different dimension to the attack but he needs to sharpen up his output if Leeds are to really benefit from his skills.

The half backs were terrible last night - not sure what you do to alter it?

You can see why this is Peacock's last season - he doesn't win the collision anymore and is really looking his age. As for Kylie - the less said the better, fingers crossed this is his last year.

On a positive - huge shifts from Ward, Ablett and JJB. Singleton continues to progress and Golding went OK.

Much to work on if Leeds are going to make the top 4 - especially as the back end of the season will be a struggle for older players in the squad. A win against Wigan is a must - a loss will really put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Ward didn't give away one penalty last night.

this should have been sorted in the off season sal and you know the 2 players i would have brought in from outside of the club to rectify this

sutty has to get an extended starting role in the halves and i would also be prepared to give lilley a shot in the 7 role based on last nights abject performance from our incumbent halves

For a side with a 34 year old and a 32 year old at half-back, the lack of leadership around the park was absolutely shocking.

No questioning the effort, but there are players in this Leeds side who seem to need a vocal organiser on the field to tell them what to do and where to run, and neither Sinfield nor McGuire were providing it.

Burrow did his usual trick of running up his own backside. Against well organised defences he offers nothing. Credit to Hull FC for managing to make him look like a superstar last week.

The McGuire-Sutcliffe partnership went well in pre-season. With Sinfield off the field McGuire seems much more prepared to take on a leadership role rather than sink back into his comfort zone of playing second fiddle. Time to revive it against Wigan, if Sinfield is going to play then it's off the bench to spell Aiton at dummy half.

As for the output from Peacock and Leuluai, the least said the better. JP looks like the cue is already on the rack and this is a farewell tour of SL, while Leuluai simply can't cut it at this level any more. With the vastly reduced amount of minutes both are getting, it seems the coach has come to a similar conclusion.

What happens between now and February 2016 is going to be pivotal in how the club performs over the next 5-10 years. I just hope the CEO isn't content to settle for hoping the cheap option of the Academy coughing up another "Golden Generation".

I agree but one of the halves is an untouchable and will be selected regardless of form which has ben woeful since Shaun Johnson waltzed passed him.

Lilley is a good call especially once the position in the top eight is secured - some evolution needs to happen, Sutcliffe doesn't seem to be getting a fair crack of the whip to me.

he will =/

David - both halves are untouchable irrespective of form.

When was the last time McGuire was dropped when fully fit, despite some mediocre showings over the last couple of years? You could argue that the lack of alternatives has hamstrung the coach in previous seasons. That is clearly no longer the case.

I still think it's too early for Lilley. I'd like to see how he goes in open age rugby, maybe out in Champ One on loan somewhere the defences are a bit more wise and there are old heads who will try to take him off his game. Let him get some confidence under his belt of knowing he can cut it against "grown-ups" before moving him into SL.

As I said previously, McGuire looks a better player with Sinfield off the field. Do you sacrifice the captain's goal-kicking to bring Sutcliffe into the side, particularly when one of your other kicking options is currently busier doing house calls in Burley at 3am rather than concentrating on his game?

now your trolling your own forum. :lmfao

Penalty count 7-1 in favour of the Wolves.
Only in Bentham's world.
I did refer to him as hometown when I saw he was to be the ref.
I know he wasn't the sole reason we lost but he sure didn't harm their efforts.

Hardaker would have stopped Penny's try last night. Warrington might still have scored off the back of the move of course. No quibbles over losing.

Of the 'golden triumvirate' I have always previously advocated dispensing with McGuire first but at least he can still offer the possibilities of sometimes putting in a decent killer cut out/long pass ....I have to concede I am now becoming another who must question Sinfield's automatic selection. It's hard to conceive of a leeds side without its great captain when available, but of the 3 he might be just the one that should make way for Sutcliffe next match.

We will succed to a decent level this season despite "dad's army" if only because SL standards are anything but improving. Apart from Westwood there was nobody I would covet to any large degree from Warrington's performance last night.

You do have to wonder what Mulhern couldn't do that Kylie does in his 10 minute spells and it is becoming ever more obvious that both our pensioner props should be playing their last season. It is sad to see their decline
Maybe they can both raise their games for the odd match but on a week to week basis neither shoud be first choice any more. The transition and rebuilding should start with Singleton, Delaney and Cuthbertson being the starting props includng '3rd prop' at LF.

Anyone remember Daryl Powell holding his hands up, and actually telling the coaching team that we had better options for stand off than him, and he was finding it tough in the role at the stage of his career.

Of course Harris was the other option, but still that epitomised Powell.

To be fair to Sinny, he has already told the club he plans to retire at end of 2016, hence the Hardaker plans, but maybe it is catching up quicker than he thought.

Fair point about McGuire - personally I would like to see the young players brought the first team route rather than being farmed out to clubs where their participation is begrudged at best. At least the senior players should have a vested interest in protecting and guiding them something they will not get at the South Leeds Stadium.

It never did the members of the golden generation any harm and it could be argued they were being exposed to a much higher standard than the youngsters of today.

Let's hope the wheels don't come off that plan over the next few weeks.