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Quote ="tvoc"There is nothing inherently wrong with the actual Opta stats used here for 2012 and 2013 =#FF0000once you identify which games are included and which games are not.
Of course you would need to know this =#FF0000in order to produce accurate/meaningful averages just in case you wished to make a comparison between those seasons but I imagine anyone who 'looks at stats in detail' would already be aware of this potential issue.'"
This indicates that the absolute completeness of the data-sets for 2012 and 2013 wasn't the key issue here. What was and remains crucial to the outcome is to know which games are included and ensure you divide the totals by the relevant number of appearances in each case.
ThePrinter evidently didn't and consequently produced inaccurate results for all six players.
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Quote ="tvoc"=#FF0000Some of ThePrinters stats in question here are wrong.'"
Because of the error (introduced by ThePrinter) all of the outcomes - in terms of the comparison between the 2012 and 2013 seasons for the six named forwards - were inaccurate. IIRC all the 2013 statistical improvements claimed were overstated - some to the point of actually pointing to a decline. This decline (unrecognisable from the figures ThePrinter produced) if anything actually supported the views ThePrinter was seeking to challenge.
Despite ThePrinter's previous promise to post the corrected figures they are still to appear and the question of can't or won't remains unresolved.
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Quote ="ThePrinter"So in summary, the 2013 stats aren't incomplete....'"
Do they include all 1st grade games involving Leeds in 2013?
A simple 'yes' or 'no' answer will suffice. If 'no' then they are incomplete but as already explained in the examples from earlier above - for the purpose of your chosen comparisons it doesn't really matter that they are incomplete but what certainly does matter is knowing which games are in and which games are not in order to produce accurate averages in order to make the comparisons to the previous season.
Of course it's absolutely crucial for both sides of a comparison to be accurate in order to get a fair result and the major flaw introduced by ThePrinter concerns the calculations he used for 2012. No amount of focus on the largely accepted 2013 figures will alter the false averages produced from the 2012 data-set.
Quote ="ThePrinter"I do look at stats in detail, here's some taking into account [size=150a massive factor of amount of games played[/size.'"
No doubting that it was a massive factor and no question then that it would be crucial to the outcome to get it right ......but you didn't did you? You've undermined your own credibility in this area having assuredly invited the attention with your -
Quote ="ThePrinter"but check the stats I've posted. All forwards improved in key areas in 2013. I don't say things out of blind loyalty, I say them because they hold some weight.'"
But did they improve when using the correct calculations? Difficult to determine how much weight your view actually holds over those alternative views that you were challenging when the statistical analysis you used as evidence was corrupted at your hands.
Will we ever get to see the previously promised corrected figures?
Quote ="ThePrinter"Clearly not it would seem.'"
The matter in question that I was referring to was whether or not you had made an accurate statistical comparison between the 2012 and 2013 season in terms of the named six players.
You hadn't but for the removal of any doubt (not that any exists) no-one need take my word for it when there are these contributions already:
Quote ="ThePrinter" I come out of this with some miscalculations'"
Quote ="ThePrinter" I knew at some point they wouldn't hold up '"
Quote ="ThePrinter"yep I got some numbers wrong '"
Quote ="ThePrinter" I never not once didn't ACCEPT he (tvoc) was correct '"
Quote ="ThePrinter"I've not had any problem that he found a problem with my stats. If someone spots a flaw with them by all means do tell so we don't get incorrect results'"
Quote ="ThePrinter"Sure you can have an apology and a list of corrected stats'"
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So perhaps it's time for you to finally post your corrected figures and we'll see just how many of your previous statements regarding the improvements in certain forwards in 2013 are backed (or disputed) by your chosen Opta averages.
