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| Should at least move him in one at centre and see how he goes before suggesting moving in as far as 2nd row.
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| Quote ="Barrie's Glass Eye"I agree with Printer here. Hall has all the attributes of a great winger. If we are being generous he has at most half the skillset of a good second rowers.
He can cart the ball up and is a big lad.
Can he Run a good line? Can he make 20 plus (on the low side) tackles with his shall we say interesting technique? Can he stand up to the punishment? Can he offload in contact or pass and act like a link player to the back line with a passing game? Imo the answer to all these questions is no.
There have been plenty of wingers or centres who've turned into second rowers. I don't think Hall will be one of them. As someone said earlier in the thread, because his game isn't based on speed there's no reason he can't keep doing what he's doing into his mid 30's. Monaghan and Richards being recent similar examples.'"
Are you suggesting he isn't capable of learning the SR position?
As for the pass & link part Delaney has never done that also wrt can he take the punishment he's hardly built like Calderwood either.
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| Why should Hall learn to be a second rower whilst he's a very good winger? The way he plays based on size and strength rather than speed, he should be able to remain one of the most effective wingers around for years.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Are you suggesting he isn't capable of learning the SR position?
As for the pass & link part Delaney has never done that also wrt can he take the punishment he's hardly built like Calderwood either.'"
I'm suggesting that at 30 plus, he won't be able to learn enough to be anywhere near as effective in the SR as he is on the wing. I don't think he could take the extra work and still be effective, while he's got the frame, what you put yourself through in the pack is very different to the wing.
Delaney can link. Not as well as Ablett, Ferres or Ward, but he can do it.
The only reason he would move to the pack is because he would be more effective there than his current position. Let me ask you, what about Ryans game, apart from his size and ball carrying, makes you think he'd be more effective in the second row than on the wing?
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| Decent 2nd rowers are ten a penny, it's one position the game seems to produce plenty of. I don't see us ever being so short that we have to use Hall there. Ironically, the one type of 2nd rower that we don't produce many of is the pacey ball handling variety - a role that Hall is probably less suited to than the more conventional model. And points about his tackling are valid - we simply don't know. Fortunately for him, he's a pretty good winger.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Decent 2nd rowers are ten a penny, it's one position the game seems to produce plenty of. I don't see us ever being so short that we have to use Hall there. Ironically, the one type of 2nd rower that we don't produce many of is the pacey ball handling variety - a role that Hall is probably less suited to than the more conventional model. And points about his tackling are valid - we simply don't know. Fortunately for him, he's a pretty good winger.'"
Same can be said for wingers also though.
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| If he plays to his mid 30s will there be a playing shirt big enough to fit him?
He has been a great player - his appearance on soccer AM was a superb representation of the game.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Why should Hall learn to be a second rower whilst he's a very good winger? The way he plays based on size and strength rather than speed, he should be able to remain one of the most effective wingers around for years.'"
Re-read what i put nobody is suggesting he switches tmw i suggested it as a move in the future.
Some may see him as going on long term ala Richards & Monaghan personally im not so sure.
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| Quote ="Barrie's Glass Eye"I'm suggesting that at 30 plus, he won't be able to learn enough to be anywhere near as effective in the SR as he is on the wing. I don't think he could take the extra work and still be effective, while he's got the frame, what you put yourself through in the pack is very different to the wing.
Delaney can link. Not as well as Ablett, Ferres or Ward, but he can do it.
The only reason he would move to the pack is because he would be more effective there than his current position. Let me ask you, what about Ryans game, apart from his size and ball carrying, makes you think he'd be more effective in the second row than on the wing?'"
We'll agree to disagree re-Delaney he kills as many moves as knock ons do.
Wrt RH becoming more effective at SR than Wing i think it could easily become the case of another Handley type coming along in the future & forcing the issue.
I do think his size explosive power & his big hand offs are more than a good enough base to build on.
Going back to his running lines he just doesn't run straight up & down the touch line he's capable of running drop off routes inside & out just look at his running coming out of our half.
Also just to reiterate this all 2/3 yrs down the line not tmw the make up of a squad & its requirements change every season.
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| Hall was and still is a great winger with a few years left in him. However as a player that relies on power rather than speed he can expect to get some more attention as he slows up in the way of kicks put in behind him. I'm reminded of how Leeds negated the threat of Vainikolo in the 2004 Grand Final.
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| *Disclaimer* Im not questioning Halls talent as a winger the opinion he switch to SR is only in the future as he gets older.
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| I can't see him there my old pal. not mobile enough, hands aren't good enough and poor tackle technique.
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| This is a pointless discussion.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"This is a pointless discussion.'"
Ignore it then.
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| Personally I think we saw the best of Ryan hall when he was a few kilo's lighter, when was the last time we saw him intercept and blast down the touchline? He could easily loose 5-10kg in muscle still be bigger then most other wingers and gain back some of that blistering pace he had when he first came onto the scene. He's also got tonnes of years left in him and tonnes of try's wouldn't worry about his replacement or briscoes, more like trying to find someone to supply them better.
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| I agree ^
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"If he plays to his mid 30s will there be a playing shirt big enough to fit him?
He has been a great player - his appearance on soccer AM was a superb representation of the game.'"
When was he in Soccer AM? I have it on series link (not sure why) but haven't seen it. Unless it was last weekend as I have been away this week..? Thanks.
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| I personally don't think wingers of Hall's calibre are easy to replace. Wingers have to do so much work, and are so crucial in the early part of sets. Luckily, we do have some good prospects at the club, but the odds of them being as good as Hall are slim.
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| [list=[/list Quote ="Jamie101"When was he in Soccer AM? I have it on series link (not sure why) but haven't seen it. Unless it was last weekend as I have been away this week..? Thanks.'"
It was a few years ago.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"but the odds of them being as good as Hall are slim.'"
Though the odds of them being slimmer than Hall are good
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"[list=[/listIt was a few years ago.'"
That will be why I haven't seen it then. Haha!
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| He was one of our best players tonight in an ugly wing, briscoe on the other hand....
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| Is Ryan Jones still at the club? I thought he would definitely make an SL player
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Is Ryan Jones still at the club? I thought he would definitely make an SL player'"
Sadly no , he is now at Wire in their senior squad , shirt no 30 , I think. He joined them towards end of last season. Think it great shame only got to be in our senior squad once but think was only named on bench. Agree with you was a quality player, scored lot of tries in U19s. We have let some quality players go from last seasons U19s, Jack Wray..now at Hull FC., Tommy Brierley -York City Knights ..Joe Sanderson -Hunslet Hawks -who was as good a kicker as Lilley, though with his link to Leeds rugby foundation maybe one day will see him back.
As Mac said in an interview yesterday, when talking about Corey Aston not been sent on dual reg as can only take certain quota..leaving many players without games ..ok he now on loan to Rovers...but this is why GH should get behind a reserve team. I still annoyed from a couple of seasons ago when we let Judah Mazive go..( now at Wakefield) really quality player scored a try in every match he played in..still represents England youth...only consolation is Wakey wasting him on the wing..was quality at FB..had Rob Burrow's style stamped all over him. Maybe one day someone will have sense to bring him back.
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