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Which world class half back is available?
Never mind half backs we need another 1 or 2 props.
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| Quote ="django"What we need is someone like Andrew Dunemann. A solid team player who would enable the youngsters to be brought on alongside him without ever eclipsing them.'"
Sinfield is that player, and we should have TWO who the club feel are right for the future working with him and the team.
Unfortunately, I do think they have left it too late,NAND will have to buy to do the job to bring along.
And Him, we have a massive problem with the halfs. Your right on props too. But we have been far too stubborn with the halfs. |
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Terrible to watch last night, against a team of Super League loanees and ex Rhinos players. Most of these players have only met each other for the first time in the last few months and yet they can easily outplay us, terrible.
What made it worse was to witness the demise of Danny McGuire. Shame to see him as a shadow of his former self. Given the captaincy you'd have thought he would organise the players around him but I counted 7 different 6th tackle kickers last night. He's lost his pace completely so he looks lost. With Sutcliffe never going to reach his standard it makes it our main priority for next term. Tim Smith showed him up and it was sad to see !!! It wassnt long ago we were told Stevie Ward is going to be the next Kevin Sinfield !! Kev and Robbie cannot continue forever so Hetherington needs to be planning now before anymore decent halves, Dobson Dureaux, Syned get snapped up
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| Quote ="cosworth"Terrible to watch last night, against a team of Super League loanees and ex Rhinos players. Most of these players have only met each other for the first time in the last few months and yet they can easily outplay us, terrible.
What made it worse was to witness the demise of Danny McGuire. Shame to see him as a shadow of his former self. Given the captaincy you'd have thought he would organise the players around him but I counted 7 different 6th tackle kickers last night. He's lost his pace completely so he looks lost. With Sutcliffe never going to reach his standard it makes it our main priority for next term. Tim Smith showed him up and it was sad to see !!! It wassnt long ago we were told Stevie Ward is going to be the next Kevin Sinfield !! Kev and Robbie cannot continue forever so Hetherington needs to be planning now before anymore decent halves, Dobson Dureaux, Syned get snapped up'"
Regarding McGuire and the organising, yes it was lacking last night but if you're relying on one person to organise everything and everyone around them then you're in trouble anyways. When we've been successful it's because we've had Sinfield, McGuire, Burrow, Peacock, JJB, Webb, Senior, Diskin, Buderus etc all organising and leading.
Apart from McGuire and Peacock who did we have last night? None of the back 5 are real leaders or vocal enough (Hardaker is but was missing) and two of the forwards who should be in Delaney and Bailey weren't great last night, doesn't leave much after that. |
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Regarding McGuire and the organising, yes it was lacking last night but if you're relying on one person to organise everything and everyone around them then you're in trouble anyways. '"
That's an awful piece of excuse making.
McGuire, as is his way this season when things are going badly, hid. With Sinfield out of the side, he should have stepped into the void and taken over that job of taking the team around the park. The kind of job Smith was doing for Wakefield.
Instead, he just constantly shipped responsibility on to others.
That said, Sutcliffe was no better. The number of times he caught the ball standing still then just handed it straight on was ridiculous. He's got time to learn and improve though. McGuire isn't going to get any better.
It's time Leeds cut him loose, so he'll probably get another two year deal and the promise of a "job for life" from Hetherington. The CEO currently seems in thrall to what's left of the 2007-2009 side, and it's holding the club back. |
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"That's an awful piece of excuse making.
McGuire, as is his way this season when things are going badly, hid. With Sinfield out of the side, he should have stepped into the void and taken over that job of taking the team around the park. The kind of job Smith was doing for Wakefield.
Instead, he just constantly shipped responsibility on to others.
That said, Sutcliffe was no better. The number of times he caught the ball standing still then just handed it straight on was ridiculous. He's got time to learn and improve though. McGuire isn't going to get any better.
It's time Leeds cut him loose, so he'll probably get another two year deal and the promise of a "job for life" from Hetherington. The CEO currently seems in thrall to what's left of the 2007-2009 side, and it's holding the club back.'"
Haha what garbage.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Haha what garbage.
McGuire was poor last night but he never hid or passed responsibility onto others.'"
Really? Give me an example of his influence on the performance.
Frankly, you're the one spouting garbage as usual. |
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Really? Give me an example of his influence on the performance.
Frankly, you're the one spouting garbage as usual.'"
Didn't say he had an influence of proceedings, doesn't mean he hid though, just that he was poor.
Explain how he passed responsibility, name some incidents where it happened in different scenarios around the pitch? |
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How many times on the last tackle did he cop out of the kicking option and give it to someone without a kicking game?
I counted at least three where he had time and space to kick himself but gave it to either Watkins or Moon to do so instead, despite it not being on to shift it through the hands.
He should have been in at first man, bossing the game in the way that Smith was doing for Wakefield. Instead he drifted in and out, going full sets without getting his hands on the ball.
That's not the actions of either a captain or a senior half-back IMO. It was set up for him to step up and take responsibility, and he failed miserably to do so.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"How many times on the last tackle did he cop out of the kicking option and give it to someone without a kicking game?
I counted at least three where he had time and space to kick himself but gave it to either Watkins or Moon to do so instead, despite it not being on to shift it through the hands.
He should have been in at first man, bossing the game in the way that Smith was doing for Wakefield. Instead he drifted in and out, going full sets without getting his hands on the ball.
That's not the actions of either a captain or a senior half-back IMO. It was set up for him to step up and take responsibility, and he failed miserably to do so.'"
So you've come up with that we shifted it to the centres on the 5th......a tactic we've been doing all season long even when Sinfield and Burrow were on the park.....ok good job there! |
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If we were to go out and sign a half back i would look no further than Travis Burns as IMO he is the best 6 in SL without a doubt
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It has indeed been Leeds tactic all season long to pass wide on the 5th and have the centre put in a kick. That wasn't an indicator of poor half back play from either Sutcliffe or McGuire, that was a tactic. Everything else McGuire and Sutcliffe did was an indicator or a poor performance mind.
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quite correct it has been a tactic that has put us under pressure all season
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A tactical master stroke.
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Many reason why I'll be shocked if Ryan Brierley hasn't signed for Leeds.
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Quote ="ploinerrhino"quite correct it has been a tactic that has put us under pressure all season'"
Quote ="D4mo78"A tactical master stroke.'"
It's not put us under pressure all season at all. It's not like we constantly use it again and again on the last tackle now is it.
And it is a good tactic actually on paper. For a team who are lacking imagination in attack when we get down to the final 20m it's a rare bit of something different, a plan B instead of just saying "there you go Kev, you kick it again". That was predictable and didn't help Sinfield or the team to be so one dimensional on the last.
You also have to look at the bigger picture, will it let us down at times, yes.....but will we benefit later from it by teams knowing they can't just go after Sinfield on the 5th because we've shown we'll try this, yes also.
Has the execution of it always been great, no....but no tactic ever succeeds all the time. Moon has put in some pretty decent kicks, Watkins not quite as good at times......
......But was anybody complaining about this tactic when we played Wigan at Headingley and Hall scored early in he 2nd half, that try came from shifting it along to Watkins on the 5th on our own 40m and him putting in the kick and chasing hard to catch it.
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Quote ="D4mo78"A tactical master stroke.'"
It's not put us under pressure all season at all. It's not like we constantly use it again and again on the last tackle now is it.
And it is a good tactic actually on paper. For a team who are lacking imagination in attack when we get down to the final 20m it's a rare bit of something different, a plan B instead of just saying "there you go Kev, you kick it again". That was predictable and didn't help Sinfield or the team to be so one dimensional on the last.
You also have to look at the bigger picture, will it let us down at times, yes.....but will we benefit later from it by teams knowing they can't just go after Sinfield on the 5th because we've shown we'll try this, yes also.
Has the execution of it always been great, no....but no tactic ever succeeds all the time. Moon has put in some pretty decent kicks, Watkins not quite as good at times......
......But was anybody complaining about this tactic when we played Wigan at Headingley and Hall scored early in he 2nd half, that try came from shifting it along to Watkins on the 5th on our own 40m and him putting in the kick and chasing hard to catch it.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Really? Give me an example of his influence on the performance..'"
Didn't he put in the very good kick for Hall's try - try assist? |
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| Quote ="The Biffs Back"If we were to go out and sign a half back i would look no further than Travis Burns as IMO he is the best 6 in SL without a doubt'"
Kevin Brown for me. |
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| Quote ="tigertot"Kevin Brown for me.'"
never seen it really |
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| Quote ="The Eagle"never seen it really'"
Up to this season I think he has flattered to deceive but he has been outstanding the times I have seen him. High in the try scoring & try assist charts; you can't ask for much more from a stand off. Tackles well also, doesn't miss many. |
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Some on here are complaining about McGuire and his lack of leadership and control of the game.
I would agree that Friday was far from his best - something the likes of which we will never see again.
When the whole structure requires Sinfield controlling - quite correctly - on the pitch to expect anyone else to take this role even on a temporary basis is asking a lot. The same would apply if you asked Sinfield to support play in the way McGuire does. Its horses for courses.
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Is there only me who sees Hardaker's future is at 6
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| Quote ="Stan d'Off"Is there only me who sees Hardaker's future is at 6'"
I'm sure he would be a good 6 but for me he's too good and important to the team in his current position to be considered for a move. |
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| Quote ="Stan d'Off"Is there only me who sees Hardaker's future is at 6'"
No, he could easily do it. The problem is though, and what is more important, is that you could find quite a few stand offs who would be the equal or better than him. However, you would struggle to be able to recruit or develop a better fullback than him. |
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I hear a lot of people talk about Hardaker moving to stand off but I personally have never really shared the opinion. He's a full back, despite him being a superb defender and runner from the FB position, he still hasn't got the handling skills to play in the halves on a regular basis. Full back is arguably the most important position in the game and in Hardaker we have one of the best so why move him and put him in a position he'll probably be less effective, and replace him at FB with someone with less ability or potential?
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