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| Keep Sinfield, Hall, McGuire, Clarkson and BJB.
Sign T Briscoe and Rangi chase and convert Hall to a centre
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| I don't think playing an 8 man team is the answer to our problems?
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| Obviously not but those are the only ones id be happy with i will let you guys put the rest of the team together.
Buderus played well last night but obviously not the long term solution.
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| Some good points raised above,
for me to re structure the management has to go first IMO. I would not trust the current management team to do the right things with the changes.
I was quite shocked at how much behind the top teams we are at the moment. There are plenty of big names who should go but probably will get new contracts on past glories.
On the list of players to get rid of I think from sal, would agree with most of it but for me I wouldn't be too upset with jjb staying and I personally think peacock is worth another year.
There needs to be some big changes from top to bottom but not sure if they will happen.
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| I agree with Sal Paradise.
The remaining five members of the exclusive 'MAGNIFICENT SEVEN' club need to be shown the exit door.
I'll reserve judgement on 50% of the 'FANTASTIC FOUR' members who remain brittle both physically and defensively.
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Some good points raised above,
for me to re structure the management has to go first IMO. I would not trust the current management team to do the right things with the changes.
I was quite shocked at how much behind the top teams we are at the moment. There are plenty of big names who should go but probably will get new contracts on past glories.
On the list of players to get rid of I think from sal, would agree with most of it but for me I wouldn't be too upset with jjb staying and I personally think peacock is worth another year.
There needs to be some big changes from top to bottom but not sure if they will happen.'"
If something radical isn't done what has happened at Bradford will happen at Leeds. It will interesting to see how GH goes about selling season tickets on the back of resigning Senior, Kylie, Kirke etc.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"My issue will JJB is against top sides he doesn't hit - he get driven back in the tackle too easy - I agree re his willingness but that isn't enough to compete anymore. He would be a casualty of the need for culture change
On Buderus he was amongst the best last night - but McShane will not develop if he doesn't get game time - something he seems to be getting less and less of.
I would make Buderus assistant coach next year and see how he goes - it can only be an improvement.'"
From what I've seem, mcshane looks a very very good player.
Where was he last night?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"If something radical isn't done what has happened at Bradford will happen at Leeds. It will interesting to see how GH goes about selling season tickets on the back of resigning Senior, Kylie, Kirke etc.'"
I don't disagree with you at all, other than I personally wouldn't mind keeping peacock for 1 yr, but other than that totally agree.
But I can see some of these people retained. I don't want them retained but I can see it happening!
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| The problem with this being, that the cream of what's available for next season is pretty much gone already!
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| Quote ="West Cumbrian Rhino"The problem with this being, that the cream of what's available for next season is pretty much gone already!'"
Then GH needs to start making some offers that are difficult to refuse to the right players
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Then GH needs to start making some offers that are difficult to refuse to the right players'"
When was the last time we signed a truly top class player at the top of their game?!
Webb? Lauitiiti?
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| Pitts, Hauraki, Bailey would all be straight out of the door for me. Webb too im afraid cant rely on his fitness anymore and he wasnt the great player he once was. Seniors time was coming before the injury.
Like the look of the OP's team I would also put Kyle Amors name in there he has been excellent for Wakefield so far this year.
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| i dont think mcdermott is up to head coach standard so we need to change and get rid of some of the older players they looked there age last nite
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| Quote ="The Webbmaster"Pitts, Hauraki, Bailey would all be straight out of the door for me. Webb too im afraid cant rely on his fitness anymore and he wasnt the great player he once was. Seniors time was coming before the injury.
Like the look of the OP's team I would also put Kyle Amors name in there he has been excellent for Wakefield so far this year.'"
Not really convinced that amor is the answer for our front row future IMO
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| A lot of unknowns and parentheses but:
BJB/Smith
Hardaker/Watkins/BJB
Top Centre (Cooper?)
Watkins/Smith
Hall
McGuire
Burrow/New young halfback/hooker for "competition". (Realistically GH not going to get rid of Burrow entirely in testemonial year)
Peacock
Buderus (McShane if Buderus gone)
Burgess (New top prop if Burgess gone. Carvell? O'Meley?)
Ablett
JJB
Sinfield
McShane (Hood if Buderus gone)
Delaney/Clarkson/Ward/Hauraki (if we're stuck)/Senior (if he gets the reduced new contract I fear he will)
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Essential priorities are a top centre and a top prop. Another halfback and a Lauititi/Eastwood difference-maker at second row (which was supposed to be Hauraki) are also required if possible.
I'm assuming the loss of Webb, Lauititi, Leuluai, Kirke and Bailey. Possibly Burgess, Buderus and Senior too. In which case we'll need more squad players and promote some youth and also to decide whether Amor and Ambler are going to make it, or whether to raid Wakefield for Johnson or Mariano. Ideally I'd be looking at players like Patrick or Watts, but realistically their clubs are not going to let them go.
And a new coaching team.
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Not really convinced that amor is the answer for our front row future IMO'"
Long term your probably right but I from what I have seen this season I'd have him over Bailey and Cross for starters.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"A lot of unknowns and parentheses but:
HARDAKER/BJB/Smith
Hardaker/Watkins/BJB
Top Centre (Cooper?)
Watkins/(Smith - NO WAY)/Wilson/Hall
Hall/Top winger (Broughton?)/Chisholm
McGuire
Burrow/New young halfback/hooker for "competition". (Realistically GH not going to get rid of Burrow entirely in testemonial year)
Peacock
Buderus (McShane if Buderus gone)
Burgess (New top prop if Burgess gone. Carvell? O'Meley?)
Delaney
JJB
Sinfield/Ablett
McShane (Hood if Buderus gone)
Clarkson/Ward/Hauraki (if we're stuck)/Senior (if he gets the reduced new contract I fear he will)
Cross(if we're stuck)/Singleton
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I'm assuming the loss of Webb, Lauititi, Leuluai, Kirke and Bailey. Possibly Burgess, Buderus and Senior too. In which case we'll need more squad players and promote some youth and also to decide whether Amor and Ambler are going to make it, or whether to raid Wakefield for Johnson or Mariano. Ideally I'd be looking at players like Patrick or Watts, but realistically their clubs are not going to let them go.
And a new coaching team.'"
Another brilliant post...(although I have made a few changes to the above )
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| 1 Jones Bishop
2 Hardaker/Smith
3 New Centre
4 Watkins
5 Hall
6 McGuire
7 Burrow
8 New Prop
9 Buderus
10 Peacock
11 Jones Buchaanan
12 Ablett
13 Sinfield
14 Delaney (SR)
15 Amor/Ambler
16 Leuluai
17 McShane
18 New prop or second row (if Burgess leaves)
19 New young half back
20 Amor/Ambler
Leave
Bailey (not too sure about him at the moment)
Cross (think he will want to leave)
Hauraki (likewise with Cross)
Ali (think he will leave)
Webb (same as Ali)
Burgess (will go to Aus)
Kirke (think he may leave)
Senior (retirement)
In
Tony Clubb or
Matt Cooper (to allow Aston Wilson to come in, in a couple of years time)
Antonio Kaufusi (no nonsense prop)
Ben Gledhill (Wakey prop to replace Burgess) or
Ryan Boyle
Oliver Wilkes (replace Kirke)
Not too sure on the young half back, but maybe someone like Liam Finn (not young, but backup)
Hoping big Keith gets one last game for Leeds, maybe a special friendly so his last game wasn't ended by injury
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| clubb - no better than we have no
gledhill - rather have mick gledhill
wilkes and boyle- rubbish
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| some people seem desperate for changes simply for the sake of changes. We dont need to change that much, we do need to make changes, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater is just counter-productive.
I would lose Kylie, Senior, Webb, Cross, Ali and Hauraki. And Burgess is likely to leave regardless of what we want.
We have Pitts/Ambler should be expected to move and replace Burgess and Cross, Delany and Clarkson more gametime to replace Hauraki. BJB/Smith/Hardaker should replace Webb.
Which leaves us with 2 places to cover, Prop and and a fair bit of cap space for them. We bring in Kaufusi and Cooper next season and there is no reason a team of
BJB
Hardaker
Cooper
Watkins
Hall
Burrow
Mcguire
Peacock
Buderus
Kaufusi
JJB
Ablett
Sinfield
McShane
Ambler
Bailey
Clarkson
With Smith, Delany, Kirke, Pitts, as back up, and the option to introduce Hood, Singleton, Stewart, Kettlewell, cant challenge.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"clubb - no better than we have no
gledhill - rather have mick gledhill
wilkes and boyle- rubbish'"
Agree re Gledhill and Boyle - Clubb is a talent - I expect him to go to Huddersfield or Wigan
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| Someone will make a very useful second rower out of Tony Clubb. If we are to improve our pace and biff in the pack, we could do worse than him.
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| A lot of people mentioning Cooper and Kaufusi. Is there any solid information on this, or are names being picked out of the air?
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| Quote ="craigizzard"A lot of people mentioning Cooper and Kaufusi. Is there any solid information on this, or are names being picked out of the air?'"
the latter
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| Kafusi is and Cooper and are both OOC at their respective clubs and afaik in both cases as yet neither have secured new deals or moves to another NRL club.
Fwiw i'd snap both of them up and maybe even Corey Paterson who's a strong BR with a reasonable off-load who is avaialable from Newcastle.
Smokey i agree re-changes in terms of huge numbers but things do need "shaking up" and i'd include the coaching set up.
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