Unlike many on here, I never thought for one minute Leeds would get hammered tonight and expected a close game instead. Wigan are a biggest club with the highest profile and it's not unusual for other teams of a lesser standing like Leeds to raise their game against them by treating it like it's their Cup Final.

We had 80 minutes and numerous sets to win it. We didnt.

Whilst Alibert and co were clearly awful, we didnt win because we didnt score enough point. It was a close game, sometimes those decisions go for you, sometimes against, when we were champions we made sure they didnt matter.

C'mon Keith, you can do better. This is more half-d than Leeds were against Bradford.

As I understand you're a ref...what did you make of the decision not to sin bin STomkins in the first half...most blatant professional foul I've seen in years (he was pinged for not being square but in fact he never even attempted to get on the right side of the PTB!!)

Not sure what your on about there ^^ but we certainly have raised our game against them twice this season, and only come away with a point. I'm not getting overly excited about our improvement tonight, because we put in a better performance against them at home and have been crap for the rest of the season since.

If only you had told us Jeff.....we wouldn't have worried as much!

The RFL instruct referees to issue a yellow for professional fouls.

You have to understand we are dealing with Thierry here

Thanks for the brief interlude from your latest fog-knitting exercise on another thread.

Its ok, sometimes I like to point out the level your trolling has fallen to.

Anytime you want someone to point out how poor your efforts are, let me know Id be happy to. You have fallen so far its like mocking Gazza, obviously funny, but tinged with sadness that a talent has fallen so far.

Did I need to?

Hardly rocket science is it?

Teams that aren't contenders because they are incapable of putting together consistently good performances tend to focus most of their energies on one-off fixtures against clubs they regard as their bitter enemies.

Yet we couldnt do this against St Helens (obviously more emnity considering our recent history and publicly stated eminity) or Warrington (former coach who beat us in last years final). Its a strange world isnt it.

To be fair to Keith I dislike Wigan more than the above named.

I've seen your fog-knitting troll efforts on the Virtual Terrace. It's where you do produce most of your tedious fog-knitting work. Thanks for the advice but you still appear somewhat confused as to what constitutes a troll. I'm merely stating an opinion based on evidence. Leeds two best performances this season have been against Wigan. I don't believe that's coincidental either.

Feel free to continue knitting fog over McGuire's blatant and incontrovertibly obvious NO TRY on the other thread. For pure trolling purposes however, you'd be best served targeting the said tedious troll bait on either the Pies Board or the Virtual Terrace. You'll get more responses there.

Yes, you are definitely convincing everybody as to your motives

I give it 2 years before you are turning up at armed sieges with a KFC bargain bucket and fishing rod.

Erm... NO.

Wigan have always been the most bitterest of enemies for Leeds fans blessed with a collection of brain cells with functional synapses and a good memory. The current Leeds squad of players don't like Wigan either, as evidenced in particular last season.

Feckwitts might nominate Saints or Bradford or Warrington instead however.

The rest of us who rely on a full central nervous system however, are obviously more capable of nuanced thought than those simply relying on their synapses and memory.

As clearly evidenced by your earlier bizarre assertion that Warrington generate more [i'eminity'[/i among Leeds players and fans than Wigan do!



I'd suggest you speak for yourself rather than [i'the rest of us'[/i.

I did no such thing, clearly that memory you were so proud of is failing you. That must be as disappointing for you as your clear inability to understand (the not very, but still) nuanced thought.

Total common sense off a Rhino very unusual

There is complaining about officials, and complaining about officials.

Forget the forward pass try, these things happen. What was inexcusable was the fact that Leeds did not get one single penalty in that second half. Anybody with half a brain could see there were at the very least 7 or 8 opportunitie for Wigan to be penalised in that second half. Infact he did blow up once, then when everyone stopped he shouted play on. Then the first half non sinbinning of Tomkins, that was a joke, I don't think any other ref would have not played to the rules in that instance.

For Leeds, probably best performance of the season. Peacock was absolutely immense along with Sinfield. Webb and McGuire put in some excellent quality but were hit and miss in oher areas. Buderus is just superb, and JJB and Ablett really stood up to be counted. Personally, unlike others, I wasn't impressed with BJB, but not to an extent that I feel the need to critisize him.

Ah, Rob Burrow



It's amazing how decent we look with ball in hand when he's no where near the half back roll. McGuire controlled the pace from 7 and picked some lovely passes that created a lot of space for the outside backs. He also has a much superior kicking game and found the floor a lot. His passes were precise and he took the line on when gaps appeared. Something Burrow rarely does. Now, dont give me, "yeah, but Borrow set up a try with a good pass!". First of all, I agree, he looked pretty good out of DH but the pass was only made to look better because of Abbo's great flick.

I still think we will get Chase too. Thats twice now in the last 3 isnt it that McGuire has started 7 when he has been fit when Burrow has also been in the team?

Either way, that looks the best way to go. McGuire at 7 and Burrow off the bench as a hooker or not there at all.

Sober Analysis?
We lost

Nothing new about losing. It tends to happen quite a bit in sport. It's no big deal unless you're whole life revolves around such outcomes.

Anyway, I've a busy day....

No you have not. You never have a busy day. Ever. Fact

Overall very much improved and the competitive performance this squad should be putting in most weeks.
I just think we made too many errors in the 2nd half and i agree with Gotcha re-Alibut absolute p!$$ poor for both teams and way out of his depth at this level and he wasn't helped by the tough judges either.
I still don't Mc is the coach for us even though i expect last nights effort to ease the pressure on him somewhat i think the players were more determined to show their pride was wounded rather than anything inspired by him.
I also hope that it's the last season we see ALI and Kirke in the Blue 'n' Amber thanks for the efforts over the years guys and Ali is one of if not THE best overseas signing i've personally witnessed in a Leeds shirt and an absolute gentleman off the park.
Plenty of positives lets hope they can build on this now and get a win next week.

Couple of observations; when Wigan get a hard game they say they 'didn't play well' ......LEEDS didn't let them play well, most of the Wigan errors were forced errors.

Leeds certainly didn't get many 50/50 calls, Hallibut is not even close to SL standard reffing.

Dellaney could run through a brick wall in the back row, please McD keep him there.

McGuire was a class act at 7.

Although Ali didn't have a bad game, Abbo would have been better in the back row & a quallity may have made the difference. Watkins & a new world class would be good.

Think our boys did us proud last night, it could of easily been very different against one of the 2 top sides in the comp, WELL DONE LADS!!!