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| From a wire fans point of view.
Peacock takes 20+ drives in for you, no on stood up & took his place.
McGuire & Burrow didn't click. even had words & for long periods had space but no runners. Wire crash balls in comparison were awesome.
The 40/20 turned the game.
Budherus bottled it completely.
Still at 20 up I though it was a matter of time before you came back & did us. It's the first time i've seen Leeds play poorly. I'm sure it's a one off.
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| The stats saiod it all, warrington making over 400m more metres forward than we diod. And what the hell was Mcclennan doing dropping Ali and playing an un match fit Ablett.
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| Choking on a big day, who do we think we are, St Helens?
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| Quote ="chapylad"Some good points well made SC. We just were outplayed in every department.Well done and very well deserved. Did anyone see what happened at the Warrington end in the corner? Some pretty meaty punches thrown and plenty of biff. Not sure who was fighting who.'"
I was sat on the half way line with my dad but my friend sat in the Warrington end corner you mention. When we were travelling home later in his car he said that once Anderson scored near the end to confirm victory for Warrington some Leeds "fans" who were sitting in that end just could not accept the fact that they had lost,and started throwing punches at anyone in a Warrington shirt near enough to be on the recieving end of them. Quite frankly shameful as was Ryan Bailey who spent all afternoon hiding from Carvell and Morley but put the elbow in on Chris Riley in the last minute just for the hell of it. Bailey is just a cheap shot merchant. Before the game I had a nice chat with some Leeds fans who told me the result was a formality and the cup was going back to yorkshire. They were unbelievably arrogant,oh how I wish I had bumped into them again after the match!!!!!!!!!
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| Is yesterday the result of having a "get stuck in, up and at em" type coach, who can motivate players for some games but doesn't know how to produce a game plan, coming up against a technical coach who does all the detail and makes specific plans for specific players?
We were comprehensively outplayed, but even more comprehensively outcoached. All the same issues we have had for the last 3 years were evident, we gave away penalties, dropped far too much ball, and didn't have enough go forward or depth to our attack when we had the ball.
Very disappointing performance from a poorly coached team IMHO.
Well done Warrington, by far the better team, and thoroughly deserved to win.
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| Quote ="Andy R"A few observations:
We didn't have the rub of the green. It might have made no difference but the Webb to Hall forward pass looked harsh and the Mathers to Riley offside was a bad miss. If we score to make it 8-6 it's a different game.
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We did not get the rub of the green when Leeds threw the ball 5 miles forwards for Smith to score in the corner but you don't mention that one!!!!!
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| Quote ="Lawrie L"Choking on a big day, who do we think we are, St Helens?'"
when youve achieved all the success weve achieved in super league then you can call yourself st,helens....
you may have beaten us in 3 grand finals..(which im sure will come up again as per-usual)..but compare our challenge cup success to yours how many times have you won it compared to saints?..and why does st,helens always seem to come up in a game which had nothing to with us?
and just for the record.its a good job silverwood felt a bit sorry for you and let that mile forward pass go to let you score..otherwise you'd have been nilled..
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| Quote ="RIGSBY"when youve achieved all the success weve achieved in super league then you can call yourself st,helens....
you may have beaten us in 3 grand finals..(which im sure will come up again as per-usual)..but compare our challenge cup success to yours how many times have you won it compared to saints?..and why does st,helens always seem to come up in a game which had nothing to with us?
and just for the record.its a good job silverwood felt a bit sorry for you and let that mile forward pass go to let you score..otherwise you'd have been nilled..
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| I went to wembley yesterday. You can accept your team been beaten by a better team but where was the desire to try to win the game? Was it me or did the players look dis-interested???? Its the challenge cup final, if you cant get up for a game like that , then when can you???? Also why o why did the leeds fans do the wigan walk????? We should support the team win,lose or draw (know a lot of people were upset with the performance but to leave in droves like that)
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"You know I'm just re-watching the game on Sky+ and we we're pretty dawn good in the first ten mins. Real outstanding efforts in defence. Shame it didn't continue. Bailey made the mistake in trying to run over the top of Mathers in the first few mins. All he had to do dive low and it was a try. Ah well.'"
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| Quote ="kevbanham"I went to wembley yesterday. You can accept your team been beaten by a better team but where was the desire to try to win the game? Was it me or did the players look dis-interested???? Its the challenge cup final, if you cant get up for a game like that , then when can you???? Also why o why did the leeds fans do the wigan walk????? We should support the team win,lose or draw (know a lot of people were upset with the performance but to leave in droves like that)'"
I went for pee with 20 mins to play and the walk had started then. Had wires lost I would have stayed to the end and applauded both teams. Walking out with 20 to play at wembley is pretty poor IMO. Maybe Leeds fans thought they would win easily and could not face the fact that it was roles reversed?
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| Quote ="BigM"Shocking and embarrassing, end of !!!!!!'"
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| Quote ="spikerhino"Is she a classy bird this - PRETTY DAWN GOOD ???'"
Watching the game again??? Are you mad???? Bad enough first time round - lol
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| I was so upset with our defending. They totally let me down yesterday did Leeds. I was f-cking gutted. Don't give a sh-t now though.
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| Quote ="BigM"Shocking and embarrassing, end of !!!!!!'"
Nah. I thought it was a fantastic game!
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| I think Wolves victory came even before kick-off. TS had obvioulsy decided that this game was going to be won on defense and hence the exclusion of Myler. This first 10-15 minutes were awesome and set the tone for the remainder of the game. As the game went on, the leeds attack looked short of ideas as Wolves snuffed out each attempt to breach the try line.
As much as people have mentioned missed offisde, missed forward passes, forward passes given that werent the key defining moments in the game can be summed up by "mathers holds him up", "outstanding defence on the line from Wolves", "superb tackle into touch by Westwood".
Against Saints and Wigan in previous round Leeds always looked in the game, yesterday it was all over with 20 minutes left (which i think is about the time that some leeds fans did as well )
(As far as the idiots in the corner. Drunken idiots who got so bored with who they came to watch they started looking for a fight!. Not going to bless them with the term "supporter" because they were in no way representation of all the true supporters at Wembley yesterday)
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| We were Shiote! Simple as.
I take nothing away from Warrington who turned up and played a full 80 minutes of competitive excellent rugby, with Lee Briers justifiably a worthy Lance Todd winner.
Our lot could have stayed on the coach and gone off on a sightseeing tour!
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| Quote ="batleyrhino"Is yesterday the result of having a "get stuck in, up and at em" type coach, who can motivate players for some games but doesn't know how to produce a game plan, coming up against a technical coach who does all the detail and makes specific plans for specific players?
We were comprehensively outplayed, but even more comprehensively outcoached. All the same issues we have had for the last 3 years were evident, we gave away penalties, dropped far too much ball, and didn't have enough go forward or depth to our attack when we had the ball.
Very disappointing performance from a poorly coached team IMHO.
Well done Warrington, by far the better team, and thoroughly deserved to win.'"
Absolutely spot on analysis. In terms of standard and style of play, league position and number of points conceded it looks like this will be the worst season for 10 years, since the days of Dean Lance. What makes it far worse is that we have far better players (on paper) than we had then. I only hope that Brian McDermott can encourage McLennan to have a game plan, any sort of game plan, but I have doubts.
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| At least I can get back on the Dubai express on Tuesday and never have to think about soft cockery of the highest order from Ian Kirke in a CC Final, and don't get me started on the Gold Coast Titan plodder, I ain't surprised we have failed on the International stage with shat like that stealing a living in SL.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Nah. I thought it was a fantastic game!'"
Taking solace in other teams misfortune now. Oh dear, has it really come to that?
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| Quote ="GCM1980"Taking solace in other teams misfortune now. Oh dear, has it really come to that?
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Oh, not solace. I was very happy. Warrington have played the best rugby league all season and so deserve to be winners. I thoroughly enjoyed their display of quality rugby and that it was at your expense made it extra special.
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| Our attacking play was at times, god awful. For most of the season it's been this way, we've played the same attacking stucture and the same plays for 3 or 4 seasons now, and it's been found out. For most of the year we've relied on individual brilliance to score points, when these individuals have an off day we're screwed!
Other than that, the apparent lack of desire got to me. Most people dreamt of playing in a challenge cup final as a kid I'm sure, they get there and seemingly don't care. I didn't get it, if you can't get pumped for a game like that then why bother?!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Nah. I thought it was a fantastic game!'"
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| Quote ="Abbott for England"Our attacking play was at times, god awful. For most of the season it's been this way, we've played the same attacking stucture and the same plays for 3 or 4 seasons now, and it's been found out. For most of the year we've relied on individual brilliance to score points, when these individuals have an off day we're screwed!
Other than that, the apparent lack of desire got to me. Most people dreamt of playing in a challenge cup final as a kid I'm sure, they get there and seemingly don't care. I didn't get it, if you can't get pumped for a game like that then why bother?!'"
TS knew what Leeds were bringing to the party, had a game plan in detail to expose Leeds weak errors and the players delivered it to the letter, compare that to the Leeds plan (if there was actually a plan other than turning up), it was in essence a coaching masterclass.
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| Quote ="Andy R"
Eastwood made an impact in places and Delaney was strong all day.'"
Is that the same Brett Delaney that's blown hot & cold all season and who's defensive effort (i.e falling on his backside in a comedy fashion) was the route to Wire's first try ?
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