i thought simms and laithwaite (a few errors near the end apart) went well... westwood, as you say, was outstanding though.

The worrying thing is we never really looked like we could build any pressure - not one player could hold his head up and say he had a good game.

Cuthbertson showed why Newcastle let him go.

Got to agree with MD there.
Forwards totally outplayed and it didn't help when Ablett moved to centre.
Sinfield, McGuire and Burrow were absolute gash.
No idea why he took Aiton off so early in the game.
Burrow played his usual predictable ineffective game.
Sutcliffe and McGuire for me next week with Sinfield on the bench for Burrow
Golding did fine for his first game but is no Hardaker yet.
Cuthbertson, Singleton and Ward were ok.
JP,Kylie and JJB poor to ineffective.
Full credit to Warrington who muscled up well and even made O,Brien look good.
Not sure why Singleton's try was disallowed.
But Warrington fully deserved their win without doubt.
At least we have an easy game next Friday

so sinfields not been performing..peacock not the player he once was and mcguire was bilge..nowt down for you lot..and if you get bentone not doing you any favours (remember last years cup semi ) in future games..then you wont get any where near the top 4....get a grip..your a top club with top players and a top coach,,its your 1st defeat and your still 2nd

I think Cuthbertson looks a fine addition. We have been crying out for a offloading forward

Achurch is out for 3/4 weeks

Classic Achurch.

Look on the positives, next week you play us (Wigan) and we are dreadful

Yep. Plenty of work rate from him too. Thought he was one of our better forwards tonight.

I don't think we were quite as massively outplayed in the forwards as some people are suggesting in here. If we had we've been beaten by a lot more.

We just need to have a bit more patience and composure in the first half. We need to straighten up and be a bit more direct. When we do we then create the gaps outwide that the likes of Watkins can take advantage. But in both the Hull game and tonight we wanted to go wide/pass our way to a score straight away.

I'd start Singo and cuthbo at prop next week and bring Kylie and peacock off the bench.

Tonight I thought we defended well, but some of our basic passing was poor both abbo and delaney throwing passes around the ankles in good field position, none existent kicking game except a couple of burrow kicking, and you know your not at it as a team when our best bomb came from cuthbertson!

On a positive note Golding had a decent debut, obviously a bit early for him but he didn't let anyone down, also thought ward, Singo, and jjb put real shifts in.

Agreed. I think because a lot of people made up their minds long ago that our pack wasn't up to much (which is very overstated IMO) that it makes them assume that we got smashed when the truth is had Westwood been on the opposite team we'd have probably won. When he plays like that he shows why England missed him so much in the 4N last year.

No, you're wrong. We're doomed!!! Season over!!!

Classic Southstander.

Singleton has to start next week.

Apart from the silly kick(i did say he wasn't great in attack) anyone change their opinion on Laithwaite?

I agree our patience is our biggest weakness....which is disappointing given the experience in our team. Nothing worrying about our lost tonight and that Wire fans are celebrating that as a great success speaks volumes.

We lost because the Wolves defended outstandingly well, but we controlled their attack pretty well too.
Stupid penalty from JJB, rank defence not playing to the whistle for the Penny try, ridiculous, unnecessary offload from Sinfield for the Atkins try. I just wish that if it had to be scored it was anybody else but him. I detest him.
I do think though that the Hardaker farrago will have had an upsetting influence on the team.
Golding dealt with the high kicks generally very effectively, but would Hardaker have been caught out of position for the Ratchford try? Dubious though it may have been had the position been reversed I'd have been very disappointed for it not to have been given.
Finally, for the Penny try possibly Hardaker would have been quick enough & strong enough to hold him up over the line?
But that's all ifs, buts & maybes, if we continue to defend overall like tonight we'll win more than we lose & we scored a fabulous team try.

Some of the calls tonight were garbage however they were matched by some of our individual performances

Can tell the players who we have seen the 'best of' quite clearly

I'm still a little perplexed why we weren't awarded the first try when Moon touched down from Hall's flick back - I thought that Bentham choosing not to go to the VR was strange when the contest for the ball was so unclear - but that was just the first in a game full of decisions that I though we got the raw end of. With that, the Singo 'No Try' call (that looked a more comfortable try to me than either of Wire's first two which strangely went upstairs with 'Try' attached), the scrum award to Wire on their own line when Hall went into touch because apparently Wire can somehow manage to get Ablett's pass back to him and get it to move backwards - excellent toying with the laws of physics, and Singo being penalised for a great pass out of the tackle. Tries aside I thought the game was incredibly even, and with the refereeing errors corrected and/or the 50/50's going the other way - as they easily could have - we'd be looking at at least a draw. Disappointed with us, not massively impressed with Warrington who were good without ever being great, thought Bentham was dreadful.

-Edit- Just to add Golding being declared in touch, another moment when Leeds pressure was alleviated by a, shall we say 'questionable' call.

I agree with that, and why for me, our halfs and the use of Burrow are the biggest problem. Their the ones calling the shots and blowing opportunities.

Also remember Hall dropped a sitter that could have had a massive bearing on the game, had he just held the ball.

Watching as a neutral there was 3 big calls the ref/vid ref got wrong.

The obstruction. The warrington player moves and you are supposed to to stand still. Even if the player blocked doesn't get to him penny wouldn't have been able to straighten up as easy and probably wouldnt have got through.

The second try isn't grounded properly and ratchford knows this from the look on his face. This awarding try or not awarding the try before it goes upstairs is a load of tosh.

The third try just before Leeds make a mess Ashton Sims does and big shoulder charge which gets totally missed so Leeds wouldn't have been in a postion to be to make a dogs dinner of it if the ref had done his job.

You might be right, but at 18-6 with plenty of time on the clock we had a few sets on the wire line and coughed up the ball pretty cheap. We didn't do anywhere near enough to win. We still wernt too far off (I thought/think wire are pretty $hite).

The pitch was crap. On a decent track I recon we will wallop wire.

What was the penalty against Singleton awarded for in the second half?

He passed the ball off the deck even though his ball carrying arm hadn't touched the deck another belter from the Bald looney with the whistle!

On the face of it losing by 12pts v Wire in a grind isn't a crisis and to be fair what went wrong can be turned around quite easily.
However saying that when you dig deeper into the performance i think there are reasons for concern going forward.
Sinfield again was awful ,Mcguire was just as bad and this going on your own against a set defence is sh## so i hope & think he should be told as such in no uncertain terms.
Kylie was a passenger and Jjb was again blowing out of his arris but kept on long enough to again concede dumb penalties.
JP just can't carry this pack on his own anymore and whilst it's fair to question some of Cuthbos offloads we know 90% of the time he has that intent so why no support runners or even worse twice i saw players turn their back on him.
Seeing that team make so many dumb decisions and even worse imo panic when there's so much experience on the pitch says to me that perhaps there should be one or two changes.
Again i think it's criminal how little quality ball our back line gets off the HB's even when allowing for the grind we were sucked into the lack of creativity or nous to try something different was poor and again highlighted the shortcomings within the Coaching department.
Yes we were unlucky with some calls but we never looked like winning that game imo and that's poor tbf.
Hopefully we turn it around and it doesn't become a rut but i think the time has come to start rotating and preparing for the departures of the old guard.

It was a complete shocker! Once it was shown on big screen the reaction was very much "WTF?"