This 100% , couldnt agree more. Apart from the awful performances and weird team selections, his interviews always seem miles off the mark to me...this isnt just a reaction to tonights hammering, but havnt been impressed atall from what iv seem from him so far.

Tonights going to be a cricket score the way its going, rubbish.

Yet someone like steve fox who for me has far more potential and insight was let go. Hope im proved wrong but he just doesnt seem to have the requisite skills.

Tough night for the u18's it looked like Wigan u21's v our u18's.
Their pack were just too big & their HB's & FB ran the show off the back of it.
For us Rowley Mayhew Gibbons & Stephens had a reasonable dig in Defence but overall we were outclassed out muscled & out thought.
I dont know what Chev & Brett Delaney are like as Coaches tbh but tonight they looked out of their depth.
As a side good to see Jason Robinson there watching his lad not sure what Sinfield willmake of his mates coaching efforts though.

Team out muscled 2nite thats for sure. Wigan too big and dominant up the middle. Cut us too easily in the middle of the park but its a very young Leeds team and weve no half backs.

Not sure what people are saying about team selection but the club simply does not have enough players to fill the teams. So theres lots of sorting out to do.

Come on Seth you are miles off with this one put your old working relationship with Fox to one side. He was out of his depth at Leeds ask any parent player or coach who worked under him most will tell you the same. He wasnt the answer far far from it he's a 13s coach at best and lucky to get the gig he has but time will tell how long that lasts.

Said it a million times they have a great junior coach but for whatever reason he gets overlooked on the gigs thats are going. It might be jobs for the boys it might not i dont know? `too stop start and too much huff and puff without any genuine quality tonight i was told they were good at Newcastle for long periods but Newcastle and Wigan are like chalk and cheese.

Should we have a group of coaches to go out and coach the coaches of the junior teams?

I've previously been involved in coaching at junior level and whilst I've got a lot of experience in the game, it's not easy to get the message over to kids who sometimes just want to roll in the mud. Most junior coaches are the dad of someone in the team/club and are doing it without much formal education in how to coach. That's not a recipe for improving players to such a standard they are ready to come under the wing of a professional club.

I dont think this is a new thing to be honest its gone on for a number of years dads coaching their sons as no one else wants to do the job. Dont the club do nights throughout the year where club coaches come down? Im sure they used to but not 100% sure? That said said people on this forum are moaning about the coaches at the club so if they arnt good enough then whats the point in sending them to coach other coaches? Theres an argument that our better 18s weren't playing last night as its better for their development in the reserves im sure Wigan could argue the same. All the same it would have been nice to see Hall and Tindall tightening the edges up made for a more competitive game i feel.

Tindall and Hall are playing in the reserves Saturday.

Yep McDermott, whatever his faults, was a big driver behind the coach education programme that ran for several years (it might be still be going, not sure) and he used to take several sessions.

It was great in my opinion. The only problem being that it was somewhat preaching to the converted. Those who wanted to know more and be a better coach went to the sessions and you’d often see the same faces there. But those “bad” coaches are still bad coaches because they don’t go to the session.

Definitely worth doing though. They can only be positive for the amateur game.

Shouldn't we take the coach education programme around to the amateur clubs rather than run courses at HQ? I'd say this should be part of Agar's former role and something he should do if / when he steps back from 1st Team Coach.

Totally understand what you are saying Batley, and dont disagree at all, but shouldnt the RFL but in charge of coach education and not the professional clubs?

My comparison was fox to walker not worked with steve for years but whether or not he was the answer hes in front walker in my opinion.

Some of the coach education doesnt get to the key fundamantal issues that are going on in amateur clubs. Id start with simple principle (though also most important) that children should be active for at least 80% of the session, ie not doing things in relay lines with 12 kids queueing up to smash into a tackle shield held by a dad. Im so disheartened to still see that going on. And it even still happens within the leeds foundation staff, repeat stop doing activities in relay fashion. Id love to run a club cpd session, i was involved with delivering at the rhinos ones nearly 15 years ago.

Are you referring to MB?

I am indeed Mark when i speak to parents and people associated with the club they all speak highly of him as a person but more importantly as a coach. I have been banging this drum for a while. As a club we seem to fall into the habit of giving ex players coaching roles with our kids and they don't have the experience or skill sets when it come to development.
Coaching kids is totally different to the world of playing at the elite level they have just left i just don't think it works at all but thats just my take on what i have seen this past number of years.
Theres a bit of work for Walker to do based on last night but he should be given time after all its about developing future first graders and not about results

Your contradicting fox on this post Seth as he was the one out delivering the stuff you are moaning about at the community clubs as part of his role with the foundation before the club got rid of him thats where his bad reputation came from !!

Like i said ive not worked with steve for years my assessment, again compared with walker was on seeing him as a club coach. The community stuff i refer to is my experience of it in previous years, again not while steves been involved so cant comment.

I’ve heard a lot of good things about MB, understand he is now part of the England set up, so clearly is rated. Let’s hope he can keep progressing within the club and with England.

Not seen anything about England Mark but if thats correct it just reaffirms what i've been saying about the bloke all along!!

Yep he's just got the England staff gig for me he could & should be heading up our Acadamy set up in the near future.

They certainly were doing 2/3 years ago. They’d hold a few sessions at amateur clubs. My disappointment was you’d only see maybe 2 or 3 coaches from that club there. I would have expected every coach to be there from all age groups. Yet only 2/3 would turn up along with the regular faces from other clubs.

That’s exactly what McDermott’s coach education sessions were based around. Enjoyment first and foremost, if they dont enjoy it they won’t learn as much and they won’t come back. And also lots of small sided games essentially rather than drills.

With an England Academy tour to Australia in August I know that the staff are a bit worried about the lack of quality up front compared to 2028 when England had Havard, Wilson & Holroyd.
Who do you people rate as potential England props in this age group, Is Rowley good enough ?

I know Leeds are very high on Nathan Snee but he is a year below Rowley and therefore probably wont be selected for the tour. Rowley is good though.

Not related but the Wigan 13 Harry Rushton looked a player the other night.

Rushtons very good, England will likely move him to prop and play Jacob Gannon at 13, was never overly impressed with Gannon in our Scholarship but he seems very highly rated by the England set up and he's put a lot of size on since he was here.

It’s good that was the case though it doesn’t get through to many junior coaches and even the foundation as some of the videos I’ve seen of their sessions in schools etc are awful.