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| The ruck abd 6 agains on tackle 0/1 etc has been stupid from day one.
It won't change until next year which is bonkers. They really should be more fluid in fixing obvious issues / abuses of the rules.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"do you mean me david? if so please point out where I condone abuse. refs in all sports are accountable for there performances, as are players. it's his the best get to the top. there us a difference between that and abuse. I know, I had the balls to do it'"
No not at all - I didn't mean you Graham
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| Quote ="Emagdnim13"The ruck abd 6 agains on tackle 0/1 etc has been stupid from day one.
It won't change until next year which is bonkers. They really should be more fluid in fixing obvious issues / abuses of the rules.'"
No idea why they don't just add three tackles to the set instead of restarting it. That would be simple to change and would make interfering on the first as counterproductive as doing so on the last.
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| Quote ="Emagdnim13"The ruck abd 6 agains on tackle 0/1 etc has been stupid from day one.
It won't change until next year which is bonkers. They really should be more fluid in fixing obvious issues / abuses of the rules.'"
The reason might be that if it's changed mid season clubs may complain they lost competition points due to the previous rules earlier in the season.
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| Then they need to get clubs to agree to it.
It seems senseless allowing obvious cheating / loophole abuse that everyone dislikes to continue all year when it's a simple fix
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| The abuse is abhorent.
But typical of what the Twitter sess pit has become.
It's a breeding ground for the vain and the dregs of society.
Why anyone in the public eye would live their life on there is beyond me.
What do they expect given there is little protection?
The whole social media thing needs a dramatic overhaul.
Sadly, the younger generation have become dangerously addicted to it.
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| Quote ="Simmo71"The abuse is abhorent.
But typical of what the Twitter sess pit has become.
It's a breeding ground for the vain and the dregs of society.
Why anyone in the public eye would live their life on there is beyond me.
What do they expect given there is little protection?
The whole social media thing needs a dramatic overhaul.
Sadly, the younger generation have become dangerously addicted to it.'"
Was it not on instagram?
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| Quote ="Emagdnim13"Then they need to get clubs to agree to it.
It seems senseless allowing obvious cheating / loophole abuse that everyone dislikes to continue all year when it's a simple fix'"
Lazy players always looking for short cuts. Look at the PTB in the NRL compared to SL - the players over here can't even be bothered to touch the ball with their foot.
People complain about the six again - without it there would have been 30+ penalties on Sunday. At least it keeps the game moving.
Ref's clamp down and everyone moans is spoiling the spectacle - we can't have it both ways.
Game needs cleaning up and i starts with coaches and players and supporters who condone obvious cheating in their side - never happen, never have a thread on decisions refs get wrong in their favour. Didn't hear Smith bleating about two blatant forward passes in the Warrington - why because it worked in his favour.
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| I don't think that's true, if we went back to penalties then the consequences would be more obvious and we'd probably get a cleaner better controlled ruck with players not wanting to concede the yardage on penalties.
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| Quote ="Seth"I don't think that's true, if we went back to penalties then the consequences would be more obvious and we'd probably get a cleaner better controlled ruck with players not wanting to concede the yardage on penalties.'"
It has never happened in the past - each year the ref's get strict on certain elements of the game - what happens - everyone complains it gets watered down and players continue to get away with illegal play. The ruck is no worse now than its had been for years since the emphasis on the wrestle it just flows much better.
Far harsher penalty the six again - with a regular penalty you give yardage but you have time to reset and get your defensive sorted.
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| And personally thats what I feel contributes to increase messiness in the ruck when a team has lost the ability to control the opposition's momentum on the back of 6 agains and the get desperate and fatigued. I do think the game has become scrappier for it not just the ruck. At the least these early tackle count tactical infringements need addressing In the rules.
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| Quote ="Seth"And personally thats what I feel contributes to increase messiness in the ruck when a team has lost the ability to control the opposition's momentum on the back of 6 agains and the get desperate and fatigued. I do think the game has become scrappier for it not just the ruck. At the least these early tackle count tactical infringements need addressing In the rules.'"
I'm with you. Penalise it. What hits you harder? Another six tackles on your opponents 10 metre line or another six tackles 20 or 30 metres down the field? It's a no brainer.
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| An absolute no brainer. The lack of penalising it also has the effect of lowering the jeopardy. Multiple penalties in quick succession previously would lead to team warnings and yellow cards. I can’t remember the last time this happened.
I also think they should reinstate penalty quick taps. This is one of the easiest ways to speed up the game. All of this setting the mark, wait till the teams retreat back ten is just nonsense.
Does anyone have the stats on number or six again in an average game vs number of penalties in the last season with penalty infringements at the PTB?
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| Six again is fine if its implemented like it is in the NRL
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| Quote ="christopher"Six again is fine if its implemented like it is in the NRL'"
Agreed - but the standard of basic skill and adoption of the rules is so much higher in the NRL which is why it works so much better.
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| Quote ="Seth"And personally thats what I feel contributes to increase messiness in the ruck when a team has lost the ability to control the opposition's momentum on the back of 6 agains and the get desperate and fatigued. I do think the game has become scrappier for it not just the ruck. At the least these early tackle count tactical infringements need addressing In the rules.'"
So you are saying let's have more penalties so the defenders can regroup and stop the momentum of the attacking side?
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| you can blame the coaches for expoiting the ruck to slow the game down but if refs enforced it properly there would be nothing to exploit.
there may be a few games with loads of penalty but coaches and players would soon stop messing about in the ruck if a penalty were given
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"So you are saying let's have more penalties so the defenders can regroup and stop the momentum of the attacking side?'"
As opposed to just letting them stop the momentum of the attacking side with little to no sanction? Absolutely.
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| Quote ="christopher"Six again is fine if its implemented like it is in the NRL'"
Sorry, I'm in the minority who finds the NRL games a bit of a bore-fest. What's done differently there?
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Sorry, I'm in the minority who finds the NRL games a bit of a bore-fest. What's done differently there?'"
Players are fitter, higher skilled and the ruck is much cleaner as players see getting back into the line as quickly as possible as being more beneficial than slowing the ruck down. You don't have lazy forwards just jumping on once the tackle is complete. In Sl there are 3/4 in a tackle in the NRL 2/3 it makes a big difference.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"As opposed to just letting them stop the momentum of the attacking side with little to no sanction? Absolutely.'"
There is a sanction - fatigue - better than penalty fest.
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"There is a sanction - fatigue - better than penalty fest.'"
Completely disagree. Teams are routinely giving away 1st raclke penalties to stop momentum and avoid getting fatigued. If somethings wrong, it's wrong. Penalise it! Players, and more importantly coaches, will soon catch on.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Sorry, I'm in the minority who finds the NRL games a bit of a bore-fest. What's done differently there?'"
Theres no six again within the 40m line, its a penalty instead - stops teams deliberately doing it in defence.
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| I maybe wrong but I thought this thread was about Marcus Griffiths and predominantly about the homophobic abuse on social media?
Any abuse of any official, player or even fans is unacceptable but it’s the way of the World today where cowards hide behind keyboards and have a pop because of their own ineptitudes and inability to string a sentence together in a F2F situation.
As a former RL official I watch the referees performance as well as the game itself and there is no denying that Griffiths is a poor referee and probably the weakest of the current bunch. His communication is abysmal, his signals confusing, his consistency is non existent and he fails to understand “you earn respect, you don’t demand it”.
His personal life is his own business but when being highly paid to do a professional job in front of a public audience you need to have a MVP - Griffiths has yet to rise up to the standard of most amateur referees and as such will attract criticism from valid quarters and the trolls will jump on that to make their cowards points.
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| I don't know why but the title of this thread sounds like a BBC drama series.
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