Said last year when somebody from an opposition club mentioned Hall's try totals dropping from a few years back......he'd still easily score in the high 20's/30 mark if he played on the wing for Wigan with the chances they create for their winger. He's still as good a finisher he just doesn't have Webb and Senior on that left hand side anymore. Since their departures he doesn't get anywhere near the same amount of chances which is frustrating because the guy only needs half or even quarter of a chance to get over the line when close (see Saints playoff game last year).

I think we can start talking about Hall as a problem when he stops finishing the chances he gets. The fact that he doesn't get as many chances anymore isn't really his fault.

As well as no longer having a wingers centre and pall playing fullback putting him in I also think you have to bear in mind we are more balanced in terms of threats. We seem to score more points through the middle, and in contrast to the Senior days, our right hand side is just as strong as the left.

Hall is certainly not 'fast'.

Why?

Wouldn't make him any better at tackling nor would it make the team create more chances for him.....all it would effect (in a negative way) is his impact when carrying the ball back early in sets.

If that's what you want from him, you may as well replace him with George Rose.

I'd like to see Hall and Briscoe both have enough chances to end up with at least 25-30 tries as they're both capable of it. (Obviously Briscoe's injury would effect that)....but they don't. The role Hall has in our style of play then his size is actually correct.

he was as lucky as walters at the end of last season

That is what makes him the complete winger for me, he can finish when given chances yet when he isn't, he is still an important cog bringing the ball back and doesn't shirk work at all. Its a shame he isn't getting the service these days that he did when he first broke through because he is still one of the very best close to the line.I dont really care who is rated WBW, but i personally wouldn't swap him for anyone else in world rugby.

Complete winger is more than a bit of a stretch to describe him, though he'll be fine and dandy in SL. There's no winger in SL capable of treating his defence with the level of contempt that Kyle Feldt did.

Reminded me of a teenage Mal Meninga contemptuously swatting away Les Dyl at Boothferry Park against GB in 1982, except on that occasion Dyl could at least argue in self-defence that Meninga was twice as big as he was.

It was a good fend no doubt, over egging it a bit there though even by your standards. Hall will fend away far more players than those who get the fend on him throughout a season though so i can forgive one miss in situation where a try was likely were he to have made the tackle anyway.

Not Leeds fans- even the aussie press put him in team of the year 3 times

He's not the best winger anymore though (and unfortunately for Huds its not Mcgilvrey either) that would be Semi Radradra imo

Reminded me of Billy Slater trying to stop a certain English winger and ending up with a broken collarbone.

Hall is way heavier than 1982 Meninga. Nobody would "swat" him away if he was stationary. He mistimed his tackle badly, and someone with his experience should have done better.

Thats probably closer to it. Hall just got it all wrong.

What was more disappointing was that that particular try you could see coming from two plays before, and whilst Halls effort was pretty poor, the defensive structure had fallen apart so much it would have taken an outstanding effort to stop it.

Thoughts for me

1) Winger is one of the hardest places to defend on a rugby league field. With more space to cover than anyone except fullback
2) You are always on the end of the rest of the team's failure to react / slide, meaning that you often have to move a long way in short time, and be unable to retain full balance before making a contact. This is what happened on Sunday. It'll happen to every winger in the world. They a left with an overlap to defend, they have to make up ground and can't get into the right position to affect a decent tackle. In that scenario your chances of getting a good contact are minimal, based on timings.
3) What winger is great defensively?
4) I think that comparing his defense with other positions is like apples and oranges. Completely different roles with men around you. Winger is very isolated
5) I'm glad we don't score so many tries out wide. With our goal kicking this year, we'd better hope that more tries come through the middle

8 years after Dyl was at his best. Didn't he retire at the end of the following season.

As for Ryan Hall, he's f'king brilliant.

Quote ="DHM"8 years after Dyl was at his best. Didn't he retire at the end of the following season.'" No idea but Dyl was 29 years old at the time of that Test in 1982. Having checked both videos, Ryan Hall wins the "Battle of the Bitchslapped" IMHO. Hall ---> www.tubechop.com/watch/7727056 Dyl ---> www.tubechop.com/watch/7727100

Quote ="DHM"8 years after Dyl was at his best. Didn't he retire at the end of the following season.'" No idea but Dyl was 29 years old at the time of that Test in 1982. Having checked both videos, Ryan Hall wins the "Battle of the Bitchslapped" IMHO. Hall ---> www.tubechop.com/watch/7727056 Dyl ---> www.tubechop.com/watch/7727100

Quote ="William Eve"No idea but Dyl was 29 years old at the time of that Test in 1982. Having checked both videos, Ryan Hall wins the "Battle of the Bitchslapped" IMHO. Hall ---> www.tubechop.com/watch/7727056 Dyl ---> www.tubechop.com/watch/7727100'" It's impossible to take you even remotely seriously when you play the deliberate ignorance card.

Quote ="William Eve"No idea but Dyl was 29 years old at the time of that Test in 1982. Having checked both videos, Ryan Hall wins the "Battle of the Bitchslapped" IMHO. Hall ---> www.tubechop.com/watch/7727056 Dyl ---> www.tubechop.com/watch/7727100'" It's impossible to take you even remotely seriously when you play the deliberate ignorance card.

You're entitled to your opinion that Dyl was at his best when he was 21 years old and younger.

Ryan Hall has saved us plenty of tries in the past and bitchslapped plenty of big players himself - plenty of NRL players at that - he was out by a fraction on this occasion and that handed Feldt the initiative, slightly different starting stance or arm positioning and Feldt gets bundled in to touch. That's the game.

As for William, he can't bare the idea of anyone in SL being any good so there's little point in listening to his lopsided nonsense.

Oh Jesus is HE back?

Les Dyl was pretty ordinary at the back end of his career. He was one of the 70s generation that simply didn't adapt to changes that were happening in the game. I say generation because he wasn't the only one who went from being a staple of rep teams to retired quickly.

What's Tame Tupou got to do with any of this?

I think Billy Slater wins the Battle of the B|tchslapped.